SCHWALD, Johann Jacob

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 438

Johann married Living [Group Sheet]

1. SCHWALD, Anna Catharina was born Bef 3 Jul 1814, Maulburg, Germany.

Other Events:

• Occupation: Vogtei in Vogelbach, Germany

Notes:

Per Christof: April 7, 2002 Telephone conversation with Rod

Roddo84: Brother of our Johann Georg
Roddo84: Now Jan
jaeare123: yes
Roddo84: Maria Oswald
Roddo84: born 28 nov 1751
Roddo84: in wies-wambach
Roddo84: near Fischenberg
Roddo84: they had a son
Roddo84: Johann Jacob Schwald
Roddo84: born
Roddo84: 19 mar 1791
Roddo84: in Wies-Wambach
Roddo84: he married
Roddo84: 21 april 1813
Roddo84: Anna Catharina Heid
Roddo84: she was from Maulburg

Per LDS Site:

Possible his wife:
FRIEDRICH SCHWALD
Sex: M

Marriage(s):
Spouse: MARIA OSSWALD
Marriage: 13 Feb 1776
Evangelisch, Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden

NOTE: LAST BORN SON...IS CHRISTOF'S ANCESTOR...CHRISTOF'S BRANCH STARTS HERE

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 438

Friedrich married OSSWALD, Maria 17 Feb 1776, Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Maria was born 28 Nov 1751, Wambach, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 438

Notes:

Per LDS site:
Johann Georg SCHWALD
Sex: M

Marriage(s):
Spouse: Maria LENZ
Marriage: 17 Sep 1738
Evangelisch, Wies, Loerrach, Baden
-----Original Message-----
From: christof schwald
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:13 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Cc: Janet
Subject: Re: I am Back

Hi Roderick,
I'm glad to hear good news about your wife doing well and I have news for you:

Look in the old mail and find Johann Georg Schwald
He was born in 1715 in Gersbach and married Maria Lentz from Schwand in 1737. They lived in Wies-Fischenberg (You've been there the day we met first) and had eight children:
Magdalena * 1738 Schwand
Anna * 1741 Schwand + 1752
Maria * 1742 Fischenberg + 1742
Johann Georg *1743 Fischenberg (your line)
Johann Jacob * 1745 Fischenberg
Maria * 1746 Fischenberg
Margaretha * 1749 Fischenberg
Johann Friedrich * 1751 Fischenberg (my line)

The parents of Johann Georg Schwald were:
Michael Schwald, * 1685 Neuenweg, + 1745 Gersbach
married in 1711 in Gersbach
Anna Kneusslin, * 1682 Gersbach, + 1759 Gersbach, daughter of Hans Kneusslin and Anna Meyer in Gersbach

The parents of Michael Schwald were:
Bernhard Schwald, * 1655 Neuenweg, + ?
married 1677 in Neuenweg
Catharina Bleickner, *1656 in Neuenweg, daughter of Jacob Bleickner and Verena Zeh from Neuenweg

The parents of Bernhard Schwald were:
Jacob Schwald, *1614 in Neuenweg, + 1686 in Neuenweg
married 1643 in Neuenweg
Maria Kiefer, *1613 in Neuenweg, + 1677 in Neuenweg
They had twelve children!

I think Werner Schwalds line goes from one of this children. May be all Schwald lines go from this Jacob Schwald. There are no church books before 1600, so we can't go on now! I think it's ok here. Not everybody has a Stammbaum to 1613 but we have!

Another interesting thing is, how Michael Schwald came to Gersbach wich is about two days-walks from Neuenweg. Gersbach is like Neuenweg in The high black-forrest. I think that he had to go there as a boy in the summertime to keep care for the cows of other farmers. Poor people with many children used to give some children away in summer to other farmers. So they didn't have to feed them this time. Often those "cowboys" went all summer to the same farm and often married in the village or even in the family of the farmer.
Michaels son Johann Georg went back to the area his father was born. May be he found his wife when he joined a wedding of a cousin or an other festival.

Now you can complete your Stammbaum with 12 generations! Wish you a good work! Christof

From: dgudeman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 3:49 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Subject: Johann Georg Schwald -Maria Lenzin family
Per Christof:
Look in the old mail and find Johann Georg Schwald
He was born in 1715 in Gersbach and married Maria Lentz from Schwand in 1737. They lived in Wies-Fischenberg (You've been there the day we met first) and had eight children:
Magdalena * 1738 Schwand
Anna * 1741 Schwand + 1752
Maria * 1742 Fischenberg + 1742
Johann Georg *1743 Fischenberg (your line)
Johann Jacob * 1745 Fischenberg
Maria * 1746 Fischenberg
Margaretha * 1749 Fischenberg
Johann Friedrich * 1751 Fischenberg (my line)

The parents of Johann Georg Schwald were:
Michael Schwald, * 1685 Neuenweg, + 1745 Gersbach
married in 1711 in Gersbach
Anna Kneusslin, * 1682 Gersbach, + 1759 Gersbach, daughter of Hans Kneusslin and Anna Meyer in Gersbach

The parents of Michael Schwald were:
Bernhard Schwald, * 1655 Neuenweg, + ?
married 1677 in Neuenweg
Catharina Bleickner, *1656 in Neuenweg, daughter of Jacob Bleickner and Verena Zeh from Neuenweg

The parents of Bernhard Schwald were:
Jacob Schwald, *1614 in Neuenweg, + 1686 in Neuenweg
married 1643 in Neuenweg
Maria Kiefer, *1613 in Neuenweg, + 1677 in Neuenweg
They had twelve children!

I think Werner Schwalds line goes from one of this children. May be all Schwald lines go from this Jacob Schwald. There are no church books before 1600, so we can't go on now! I think it's ok here. Not everybody has a Stammbaum to 1613 but we have!

Another interesting thing is, how Michael Schwald came to Gersbach wich is about two days-walks from Neuenweg. Gersbach is like Neuenweg in The high black-forrest. I think that he had to go there as a boy in the summertime to keep care for the cows of other farmers. Poor people with many children used to give some children away in summer to other farmers. So they didn't have to feed them this time. Often those "cowboys" went all summer to the same farm and often married in the village or even in the family of the farmer.
Michaels son Johann Georg went back to the area his father was born. May be he found his wife when he joined a wedding of a cousin or an other festival.

per email:
Johann Georg Schwald of Grenzach married Maria Lenzin of Schwand in Wies on September 17, 1738. The father of Johann Georg was Michel Schwaldin of Grenzach (shown as Greszach) and an unnamed mother. The father of Maria was Michel Lenzin and an unnamed mother. The children of Johann Georg and Maria were:

1. Maria, born in Fischenberg on September 20, 1742. (The father was shown as Hans Jerg.)
2. Johann Georg, born in Fischenberg on September 10, 1743. (The father is shown as Hans Jerg.)
3. Johann Jacob, born in Fischenberg on January 11, 1744. (The father was shown as Johann Georg.)
4. Maria, born in Fischenberg on August 6, 1746. (The father was shown as Johann Georg.)
5. Margaretha, born in Fischenberg on February 20, 1748. (The father was shown as Johann Georg.)
6. Friedrich, born in Fischenberg on May, 24, 1750. (The father was shown as Hans Georg.)

All data are from roll #1189732.

I suspect that other children were born between 1738 and 1742 in, perhaps, Grenzach or Schwand. It was highly unusual for a couple to wait four years before having their first child, and it was even not at all uncommon for the bride to be pregnant at the time of the marriage.

What micro-film rolls have you ordered?

I have some reservations about Grenzach. It is spelled in an unusual way on the marriage record and it is a long way from Fischenberg and Schwand. Althoug there is no other name spelled even close to it, further research needs to verify it.

NOTE: LAST BORN SON...IS CHRISTOF'S ANCESTOR...CHRISTOF'S BRANCH STARTS HERE

Johann Georg SCHWALD
Sex: M

Marriage(s):
Spouse: Maria LENZ
Marriage: 17 Sep 1738
Evangelisch, Wies, Loerrach, Baden
Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type
M936741 1738-1833 1189732

Birth:
BIRTH DATE DISCREPANCIES:
- 29 Apr 1715; Bap. record (ancestry.com)

Name:
NAME VARIATIONS:
- Hanß [Hanss] Jerg SCHWALD; Bap. record (ancestry.com)

Johann married LENTZ, Maria 17 Sep 1738, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Maria was born Abt 1717, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Per LDS Site:
Johann Georg SCHWALD
Sex: M

Marriage(s):
Spouse: Maria LENZ
Marriage: 17 Sep 1738
Evangelisch, Wies, Loerrach, Baden

Possible her record??
Maria LENTZ (AFN: 104R-NRS) Pedigree
Sex: F Family

Event(s):
Birth: 28 Sep 1717
Sallneck, Loerrach, Baden, Germany

Parents:
Father: Frederich Aka Fritz LENTZ (AFN: 104R-PCH) Family
Mother: Anna TREFZER (AFN: 104R
Maria LENTZ (AFN: 104R-NRS) Pedigree
Sex: F

Submitter(s):
KAREN M. URICK Microfilm: NONE
109 WEST MAIN STREET
BOX 609
HART MI Submission: AF93-102752
USA 49420


Ortssippenbuch of Tegernau

Notes:

From: dgudeman
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:22 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Subject: Michel Schwald

The information on the Michel Schwald family is found in LDS File: roll #1189745

Anna KNUSSLEIN per Hanno in his revised version: Incorrect other previous names per Christof
see Excel lineage.xls Revised Schwald Christof worksheet

From: dgudeman
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:11 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Subject: Michel Schwald

Your supposition was correct. The father of the Johann Georg who married Maria Lenzin in 1738 was from Gersbach, not Grenzach. It was spelled with "p" rather than "b" which looked very much like a "z". It is the influence of the German-Swiss on the South Black Forest dialect. It is not uncommon for bach to be spelled as pach in Switzerland, but quite uncommon in the South Black Forest, and even less common in the rest of Germany. My great -grandmother, Anna Maria Minger, was born in Limpach, Switerzerland. In some ways the South Black Forest is more Swiss than German, with Basel being the dominant city. When people from the South Black Forest travel to other parts of Germany they are often thought to be from Switzerland because of their dialect.

Michel Schwald married Anna (a name that looks something like Kuensslerin) of Gersbach on December 8, 1711, in Gersbach. The father of Michel was Bernhard (?) Schwald of, what appears to be, Kuernberg. The father of Anna was Hans (?) of Gersbach.

Michel's and Anna's children were:

1. Katharina, born in Gersbach in September, 1712.
2. Johann Bernhard (?), born in Gersbach on August 31, 1713.
3. Hanss Jerg, born in Gersbach on April 24, 1715.
4. Martin, born in Gersbach August 3, 1716.
5. Anna, born in Gersbach on January 23, 1719.
6. Andreas, born in Gersbach on July 17, 1720.
7. Catharina, born in Gersbach. ( I failed to get the date of birth but I believe it was in 1723.)
8. Johann Jacob, born in Gersbach January 17, 1726.

From: christof schwald
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:56 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Subject: Re: Michel Schwald

Hi Roderick,
Michael Schwald's Mothers name was Anna Kneusslin, born 27.3.1682,
+ 4.9.1759
M. Schwald's father was Bernhardt Schwald from Neuenweg, born 8.8.1655,
+ ?, his mother Catharina Bleickner, b.7.5.1656
Bernhardt's father was Jacob Schwald, the eldest Schwald we know, born in Neuenweg in1614, mrried with Maria Kiefer, b. 1613
They had 12 children.
Later more.
Christof

From: dave gudeman
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 6:00 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Cc: Janet Regan
Subject: Michael Schwald/Anna Knuesslerin family

Michael Schwald was born in Neuenweg on July 25,1685, to Bernhard Schwald and Katharina Blaitnerin.
He married Anna Knuesslerin of Gersbach in Gersbach on December 8, 1711 (he was shown as Michel). Their children were:

1. Katharina b.In September 1712 in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
2. Johann Bernhard b. August 21, 1713, in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
3. Hanss Jerg b. April 24, 1715 in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
4. Martin b. August 3, 1716, in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
5. Anna b. January 23, 1719, in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
6. Andreas b. July 17, 1720, in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
7. Catharina b. in 1723 in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
8. Johann Jacob January 17, 1726, in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)

Notes: I believe that you should update your website to incorporate this additional information The name Blaitnerin was spelled every which way--Bleutnerin, Blautnerin, etc., but it was almost surely not Bleickner. I suggest that you use the Blaitnerin spelling, the name shown quite clearly on Michael's birth record 1685.
The name Knuesslerin is an usual name and is quite difficult to read. However, on the birth record of Katharina in 1712 it is clearly spelled Knuesslerin.

1. Maria b. September 28, 1678, in Neuenweg to Bernhard Schwald and Catharina Bleutnerin. Maria died on May 5, 1679.
2. Verena b. January 26, 1680, in Neuenweg to Bernhard Schwald and Catharina Bleutnerin
3 Jacobus b. August 19, 1681, in Neuenweg to Bernhard Schwald and Catharina Bleutnerin
4. Bernhardt b. April 22, 1683, in Neuenweg to Bernhardt Schwaldt (yes, Bernhardt Schwaldt) and Catharina Bleictnerin. Bernhardt died on May 1, 1694
5. Michael b. July 25, 1685, in Neuenweg to Bernhard Schwald and Katharina Blaitnerin
6. Johannes b. April 8, 1687, in Neuenweg to Bernhardt Schwald and Catharina Bleitnerin. Johannes died on April 27, 1687
7.Johannes b. July 1, 1688, in Neuenweg to Bernhardt Schwaldt and Catharina Bleitnerin
8. Martin b. January 23, 1690, in Neuenweg to Bernhardt Schwald and Catharina Bleitnerin

Birth:
BIRTHPLACE:
- AKA Kürnberg, Schopfheim, Lörrach, Baden-Württemberg, Germany

Christened:
BAPTISM PLACE:
- AKA Bürchau, Baden (Baden-Württemberg), Preußen (Germany) (ancestry.com
- AKA Bürchau, Lörrach, Baden-Württemberg, Germany

Buried:
BURIAL PLACE:
- AKA Haslach, Baden (Baden-Württemberg), Preußen (Germany) (ancestry.com)
- AKA Gersbach (A. Schopfheim), Schopfheim (ancestry.com)

Died:
DEATH PLACE:
- AKA Gersbach, Lörrach, Baden-Württemberg, Germany

Michael married KNUESSLERIN, Anna (Kneusslin) 8 Dec 1711, Gersbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Anna (daughter of Living and Living) was born 27 Mar 1682, Gersbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany; died 4 Sep 1759, Gersbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Anna KNEUSSLEIN per Hanno

Anna Kneusslin per Christof

Anna Kuensslerin per David Gudeman

From: dave gudeman
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 6:00 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Cc: Janet Regan
Subject: Michael Schwald/Anna Knuesslerin family

Michael Schwald was born in Neuenweg on July 25,1685, to Bernhard Schwald and Katharina Blaitnerin.
He married Anna Knuesslerin of Gersbach in Gersbach on December 8, 1711 (he was shown as Michel). Their children were:

1. Katharina b.In September 1712 in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
2. Johann Bernhard b. August 21, 1713, in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
3. Hanss Jerg b. April 24, 1715 in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
4. Martin b. August 3, 1716, in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
5. Anna b. January 23, 1719, in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
6. Andreas b. July 17, 1720, in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
7. Catharina b. in 1723 in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)
8. Johann Jacob January 17, 1726, in Gersbach (The father was shown as Michel.)

Notes: I believe that you should update your website to incorporate this additional information The name Blaitnerin was spelled every which way--Bleutnerin, Blautnerin, etc., but it was almost surely not Bleickner. I suggest that you use the Blaitnerin spelling, the name shown quite clearly on Michael's birth record 1685.
The name Knuesslerin is an usual name and is quite difficult to read. However, on the birth record of Katharina in 1712 it is clearly spelled Knuesslerin.

Notes:

http://www.familysearch.org
MICHEL SCHWALD
Spouse: ANNA KNEUSSLIN Family
Marriage: 08 DEC 1711 Evangelisch, Gersbach, Loerrach, Baden
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Typ

M936671 1665 - 1811 1189745 Film NONE

Married:
MARRIAGE PLACE:
- AKA Gersbach (A. Schopfheim), Schopfheim (ancestry.com)
- AKA Gersbach, Lörrach, Baden-Württemberg, Germany