SWALD, Helen

Notes:

SSDI
1982HELEN BUTTENSCHON 23 Dec 1899 Nov 1982 13323 (Clinton, Oneida, New York) (none specified) 059-22-8169 New York


conversation with Carl Buttenschon 17 April 2002.

My mother had bright light blue eyes and dark hair. My grandfather had a garden in his backyard.

I was a pilot in the Arm Air Corps during WWII.

I retired from banking and credit life insurance.

I remember Alfred Sr.'s sons, Alfred and Edward.

conversation w/Dot & Carl Buttenschon 4/27/02
Helen married Carl Buttenshoen
Carl's Father, Frederick Buttenschon
Carl Jr. b: jun 27, 1921
He married Dorothy "Dot" Frances Henry
Carl & Dot had two girls
Nancy b: 1948 - 2002 lives Mt. Vernon, Tx
Susan b. Jan 21, 1950 - 2002 lives Houston, Tx
Helen and Carl Buttenschon lived in upper apt
of her parent's, Philip & Kath Swald, house.
Helen and Carl took care of Philip and Kath.
Philip and Kath Swald left house to Helen and Carl.
Ernest Swald got miffed cuz Helen and Carl got house.
Helen & Ernest's wife, Kath, would speak on the phone.
Carl remembers his mother's (Helen Swald) cousin,
Mary Schwald Kiefer's daughter, Lizzie Kiefer.
Lizzie married Ed Moll(he worked for a field co.
They lived in Buffalo, New York & had no children

Helen married BUTTENSCHON, Carl William (Sr.) 9 Jun 1920, Oneida County, New York. Carl (son of Living and Living) was born 16 Aug 1897; died Nov 1985, Clinton, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

1. BUTTENSCHON, Carl William (Jr.) was born 27 Jun 1921, Utica, Oneida, New York; died 3 Nov 2004, Dallas, Dallas, Texas; was buried Abt. 5 Nov 2004, Dallas County, Texas.
2. BUTTENSCHON, Marion was born 25 Apr 1924, Utica, Oneida, New York; died 16 Jun 2002, Ohio.
3. BUTTENSCHON, Robert "Bob" was born 6 Dec 1929, Utica, Oneida, New York; died Mar 1987, Mohawk, Herkimer, New York.
4. Living

Other Events:

• Immigration: 25 Aug 1880, New York, New York; Philippe Schwold
• City Directory: 1889-1891, Utica, Oneida, New York; Name - Occupation - Address - City, State - Year Philip Swald - laborer - 85 Warren - Utica, New York - 1889 Philip Swald - laborer - 85 Warren - Utica, New York - 1890 Philip Swald - laborer - 85 Warren - Utica, New York - 1891
• Census: 16 Jun 1900, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife & children
• Census: 19-20 Apr 1910, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife & children
• Census: 1 Jun 1915, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife, children, s-i-l & granddaughters
• Census: 12 Jan 1920, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife & daughter
• Census: 9 Apr 1930, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife

Notes:

Died:
DEATH & BURIAL - Oneida Co. GENWEB - http://oneida.nygenweb.net/cemeteries/utica/newforests.txt
New Forest Cemetery List:
NAME - PARENTS - Funeral Director - Marital Status - DOB - DOD - BURIAL DATE - BOOK#/PAGE# - PLOT#/LOT#/GRAVE#
Swald Philip - _ - J. Langdon - M - 11/14/1861 - 06/20/1934 - 06/23/1934 - 4/132 - 10/1347/2

Ernst married WUNDERLE, Katherine "Kate" 1884, New York. Katherine (daughter of WUNDERLE, Donat and ACKERMANN, Christine) was born 26 Aug 1862, Germany; died 24 Mar 1940, Utica, Oneida, New York; was buried 27 Mar 1940, New Forest Cemetery, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Census: 16 Jun 1900, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/husband & children
• Census: 19-20 Apr 1910, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/husband & children
• Census: 1 Jun 1915, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/husband, children, s-i-l & granddaughters
• Census: 12 Jan 1920, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/husband & daughter
• Census: 9 Apr 1930, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/husband

Notes:

Name:
NAME VARIATIONS:
- Katerina SWALD; 1910 Census
- Cathrin SWALD; 1920 Census

Died:
DEATH & BURIAL - Oneida Co. GENWEB - http://oneida.nygenweb.net/cemeteries/utica/newforests.txt
New Forest Cemetery List:
NAME - PARENTS - Funeral Director - Marital Status - DOB - DOD - BURIAL DATE - BOOK#/PAGE# - PLOT#/LOT#/GRAVE#
Swald Katherine - Dorrat & Catherine Wunderly - J. J. Langdon - M - 08/26/1862 - 03/24/1940 - 03/27/1940 - 4/463 - 10/1347/3

Other Events:

• Occupation: Bauer (Farmer)
• Occupation: Tagloehner (Day-laborer)

Johannes married PFUNDER, Maria Magdalena 10 Jul 1845, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany. Maria (daughter of PFUNDER, Jacob Friedrich and LAEUGER, Anna Maria) was born 27 Jul 1823, Hofen, Loerrrach, Baden, Germany ; died Aft 1872, Basel, Switzerland. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

2 children born before marriage

Married:
MARRIAGE PLACE (July 10, 1845):
Per D.J. Gudeman:
- The marriage ceremony was performed in Kaltenbach. The little church in Vogelbach was custodian of the vital records of the citizens of Vogelbach, Malsburg, and Kaltenbach.

Notes:

Birth:
BIRTH DATE DISCREPANCY:
- 7 Jan 1827; Marr. record (ancestry.com)

Name:
NAME VARIATION
- Dorat WUNDERLE; wife's obituary
- Dorrat WUNDERLY; dau. Katherine's Burial record (New Forest Cemetery list)

Died:
DEATH & BURIAL - Oneida Co. GENWEB - http://oneida.nygenweb.net/cemeteries/utica/newforestw.txt
New Forest Cemetery List:
NAME - PARENTS - Funeral Director - Marital Status - DOB - DOD - BURIAL DATE - BOOK#/PAGE# - PLOT#/LOT#/GRAVE#
Wunderle Donat - ??? - P. J. & J. B. Nelbach - M - 01/06/1825 - 02/02/1892 - 02/05/1892 - 1/250
Wunderle Donat - ??? - P. J. & J. B. Nelbch - M - 1/06/1825 - 02/02/1892 - 02/05/1892 - 1/324

Donat married ACKERMANN, Christine 23 Jun 1863, Buggingen, Breisgau-Hochschwarzwald, Baden, Wurttemberg, Germany. Christine (daughter of ACKERMANN, Johann Georg and SAHNER, Christine) was born 22 Jan 1834, Buggingen, Baden, Germany; was christened 22 Jan 1834, Buggingen, Baden, Germany; died 7 Dec 1894, Utica, Oneida, New York; was buried 9 Dec 1894, New Forest Cemetery, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• City Directory: 1894, Utica, Oneida, New York; Wunderly, Christian, widow Donald bds 85 Warren

Notes:

Birth:
BIRTH DATE DISCREPANCY:
- 20 Jan 1833; Burial record (New Forest Cemetery)
- 20 Jan 1834; Marr. record (ancestry.com)


Name:
NAME VARIATIONS:
- Christine ACKERMANN, Bap. record (ancestry.com)
- Christina ACKERMANN; Marr. record (ancestry.com)
- Christian WUNDERLY; 1894 City Directory
- Christina WUNDERLE; Obituary
- Christine WUNDERLE; findagrave Burial record
- Catherine WUNDERLY; dau. Katherine's Burial record (New Forest Cemetery list)

Died:
DEATH & BURIAL - Oneida Co. GENWEB - http://oneida.nygenweb.net/cemeteries/utica/newforestw.txt
New Forest Cemetery List:
NAME - PARENTS - Funeral Director - Marital Status - DOB - DOD - BURIAL DATE - BOOK#/PAGE# - PLOT#/LOT#/GRAVE#
Wunderle Christine - Jacob & Christina Wunderle - W. J. Stiefvater - M - 01/20/1833 - 12/07/1894 - 12/09/1894 - 1/434

Friedrich married HOMBERGER, Anna Barbara 17 Feb 1801, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Anna (daughter of HOMBERGER, Jacob and LAIS, Anna Barbara) was born 17 Jan 1778, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany; died 3 Feb 1852, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Dates from Fred Wehrle

From: "dave gudeman"
To: "Janet"
Subject: Re: Schwald lineage
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:07:50 -0500

It is true that Friedrich Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger had two
children before they were married, as is shown on Hanno's web-site.
1, Johann Friedrich Schwald, born in Wies on March 4, 1798. (The father was
shown as Friedrich.)
2. Anna Barbara Schwald, born in Wies on May 4, 1800. (The father was shown
as Friz.)
You will notice that they were both born with the Schwald name, quite unusal
for a child who was born out of wedlock to be given the name of the father
rather the mother. It is obvious that it was no secret who the father was,
and Friedrich and Anna Barbara probably had full intentions of marrying
later. I find it interesting that the two children born before the marriage
were born in Wies, the home of Anna Barbara, whereas the eight children born
after the marriage were born in Fischenberg, the home of Friedrich.
(Johannes (1822) was born in Fischenberg, not in Wies as shown on Hanno's
website.) I missed these two children the first time, probably because it
did not occur to me to check for births before the marriage.
It is curious that Hanno lists the two children born before the marriage,
and the first child born after the marriage, and the last child born; but
fails to show the six children born between 1802 and 1822.
It is true that a Frieddich Schwald, a widower, married a Barbara
Doerflingerin in 1828, as shown on Hanno's website. But this Friedrich was
not the Friedrich who was married to Anna Barbara Homberger, your ancestor.
Anna Barbara did not die until February 3, 1852 in Fischenberg.
Hanno lists over 16,000 names on his web site, and I wonder where he picks
up all this information. He is causing a lot of confusion and damage
because, it appears to me, he is more interested in quantity rather than
quality.

Notes:

http://www.familysearch.org
FRIZ SCHWALD
Spouse: ANNA BARBARA HOMBERGER Family
Marriage: 17 FEB 1801 Evangelisch, Wies, Loerrach, Baden
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Typ

M936741 1738 - 1833 1189732

Notes:

From: Wehrle
To: Janet
Cc: H.Trurnit
Subject: Re: Fwd: Our Relationship to Dieter
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:42:03 +0200

falsch: Jakob Friedrich Pfunder oo Anna Maria Buerger
richtig: Jakob Friedrich Pfunder oo Anna Maria Laeuger !!

Marriage Notes for Johannes Schwald and Maria Magdalena Pfunder:
Per David Gudeman of Wichita, Kansas, in an email dated 3/21/2002:

The marriage record of Johannes Schwald on July 10, 1845, shows that.
1.He was born in Wies on July 27, 1822.
2. He was the son of Friedrich Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger. (A person named Friedrich was often times shown as Fritz which may looked like Lutz.)
3. At the time of the marriage he was living in Kaltenbach.
4. The marriage ceremony was performed in Kaltenbach. The little church in Vogelbach was custodian of the vital records of the citizens of Vogelbach, Malsburg, and Kaltenbach. For a long time it kept the records also for Marzell, but Marzell later started keeping its own records.
5. He married Maria Magdalena Pfunder, born in Hofen on July 27, 1823.
6. Her parents were Jakob Friedrich Pfunder and Anna Maria (error ...Buerger..correct ...Anna Maria Laeuger).
7. The fathers of both Johannes and Maria Magdalena were deceased at the time of the marriage.

Per David:
I got this information fom a micro- film in the Mormon Church Library which they make available, even to non-members such as me.
I have identified no direct connection (between David's family & Roderick's), but I am confident that there are a few, if we wanted to go back far enough. After all, there are 2 Pfunders and 1 Kropf in my ancestry

Jacob married LAEUGER, Anna Maria 1820, Hofen, Loerrrach, Baden, Germany . Anna (daughter of Living and Living) was born 30 Oct 1793, Weitenau, Loerrach, Freiburg, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany; died 8 Aug 1875, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Also Known As: LAEUGER LEUGER

Notes:

familysearch.org

Anna Maria LAEUGER
Spouse: Johann Jacob ROSSKOPF
Marriage: 27 Feb 1809
Hofen, Schopfheim, Loerrach, Baden

From: Wehrle
To: Janet
Cc: Hanno
From: "dave gudeman"
To: "Janet
Subject: Correction
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:35:41 -0500

The mother of Maria Magdalena Pfunder, the wife of Johannes Schwald (1822), was Anna Maria Leuger, not Anna Maria Buerger as I previously stated. When Anna Maria married Jakob Friedrich Pfunder in Hofen in 1820, she was the widow of Johann Jacob Rosskopf, the Vogt of Hofen who died on August 6, 1819. Both the record of the death of her first husband in 1819 and the record of her second marriage in 1820 clearly shows that her name was anna Maria Leuger, not Anna Maria Laeuger (Laeuger) as Fred Wehrle states.

Subject: Re: Fwd: Our Relationship to Diete
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:42:03 +0200

falsch: Jakob Friedrich Pfunder oo Anna Maria Buerger
richtig: Jakob Friedrich Pfunder oo Anna Maria Laeuger !!

Marriage Notes for Johannes Schwald and Maria Magdalena Pfunder:
Per David Gudeman of Wichita, Kansas, in an email dated 3/21/2002:

The marriage record of Johannes Schwald on July 10, 1845, shows that.
1.He was born in Wies on July 27, 1822.
2. He was the son of Friedrich Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger. (A person named Friedrich was often times shown as Fritz which may looked like Lutz.)
3. At the time of the marriage he was living in Kaltenbach.
4. The marriage ceremony was performed in Kaltenbach. The little church in Vogelbach was custodian of the vital records of the citizens of Vogelbach, Malsburg, and Kaltenbach. For a long time it kept the records also for Marzell, but Marzell later started keeping its own records.
5. He married Maria Magdalena Pfunder, born in Hofen on July 27, 1823.
6. Her parents were Jakob Friedrich Pfunder and Anna Maria Buerger.
7. The fathers of both Johannes and Maria Magdalena were deceased at the time of the marriage.

Per David:
I got this information fom a micro- film in the Mormon Church Library which they make available, even to non-members such as me.
I have identified no direct connection (between David's family & Roderick's), but I am confident that there are a few, if we wanted to go back far enough. After all, there are 2 Pfunders and 1 Kropf in my ancestry

From: "dave gudeman"
To: "Janet
Subject: Leuger or Laeuger?
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:11:11 -0500

There is some confusion about the correct spelling of the surname of Anna Maria, the mother-in -law of Johannes Schwald (1822). The various spellings of Leuger, Laeuger, and Laeuger (Laeuger and Laeuger are equivalent spellings, as you probably know) were sometimes alternately used.
Anna Maria's father was Fritz (Friedrich) Laeuger and her mother was Anna Maria Laeugerin (Yes, they had the same last names.), as shown on Anna Maria's birth record In Weitenau on October 30, 1793. After Anna Maria's birth, the parents went on to have eight more children from 1799 to1815. In all cases the parents were shown as Laeuger and Laeugerin, except for the birth of their last child in 1815. In that case they slipped a cog and the parents were shown as Friedrich Leuger and Anna Maria Leuger. In 1819, their daughter, Maria (not Anna Maria), had an illegitimate daughter, Maria Katharina, and both Maria and her father, Friedrich, were shown as Leuger.
When Anna Maria (1793) married her first husband, Johann Jacob Rosskopf, in1809, she was shown as Laeugerin and her father was shown as Laeuger. However, when Johann Jacob died in 1819, Anna Maria was shown as Leuger. When she married Johann Georg Pfunder in 1820, she was again shown Leuger.
If you follow the rule of showing a person's name as shown on the birth record, Anna Maria (1793) should be shown as Anna Maria Laeuger, as, indeed, Fred shows it.
The OSB of Weitenau shows something curious. The family page of Anna Maria and her first husband, Johann Jacob Rosskopf, shows Anna Maria (shown as Marie) as Leuger, and her father, Friedrich, as Leuger but her mother, Anna Maria, as Laeuger.
I am beginning to think that those who collect the data for the OSBs are not quite as careful as one would expect them to be.
Incidently, I am about to wind up my research on the Schwald clan, and I have numerous copies of pages from the Mormon Microfilms for which I will have no future use. If you would like to have them, I will be glad to send them to you if you will send me your address.

familysearch.org
Johann Jacob ROSSKOPF
Spouse: Anna Maria LAEUGER
Marriage: 27 Feb 1809
Hofen, Schopfheim, Loer., Baden

Maria Barbara ROSSKOPF
Birth: 7 Jan 1812
Hofen, Schopfheim, Loer., Baden
Father: Johann Jacob ROSSKOPF
Mother: Anna Maria LAEUGER

Anna Maria ROSSKOPF
Birth: 30 Jul 1814
Hofen, Schopfheim, Loer., Baden
Father: Johann Jacob ROSSKOPF
Mother: Anna Maria LAEUGER

Anna Maria ROSSKOPF
Birth: 8 Jun 1817
Hofen, Schopfheim, Loer., Baden
Father: Johann Jacob ROSSKOPF
Mother: Anna Maria LAEUGER

Unknown — WUNDERLE, Elisabetha. Elisabetha was born Bef. 1810, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Johann married SAHNER, Christine Bef. 1834, Germany. Christine was born Bef. 1819, Germany. [Group Sheet]