ERNST, Johann Georg

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 108

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 108

Johann married ASAL, Magdalena 17 Sep 1793, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Magdalena (daughter of ASAL, Jacob A. and RUFF, Anna (Ruf)) was born 21 Mar 1771, Demberg, Germany; died 4 Jan 1806, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

1. Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 108

2. www.familysearch.org
MAGDALENA
Christening: 22 MAR 1771 Evangelisch, Obertegernau, Loerrach, Baden
Father: JACOB ASAL Family
Mother: ANNA RUFF
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Typ
C916761 1739 - 1779 1189724 IT 5-6

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 108

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 106, 108

NOTES BY JANET: in the above book Johann Jacob's death is listed as 10 Nov 1775, in Marzell, Germany. However, also listed is his second marriage to Catharina Barbara Doerflinger on 18 May 1806 in Tegernau. So, the death date must be erroneous or SHE really married his son, Johann Jacob Ernst birth 5 Aug 1766.

www.familysearch.org
JOHANN JACOB ERNST
Spouse: CATHARINA BARBARA DOERFLINGER
Marriage: 26 MAY 1806 Evangelisch, Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Typ
M934123 1739 - 1815 1189428

Johann married SCHWALD, Magdalena 27 Mar 1759, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Magdalena (daughter of SCHWALD, Johann "Hanss Hannss Jerg" Georg and LENTZ, Maria) was born 16 Sep 1738, Schwand, Germany; died 28 Apr 1805, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Author: Fred Wehrle's

Ortssippenbuch Vogelbach Marzell pps. 14, 108: cc: Jul 2004

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 108

Jacob married RUFF, Anna (Ruf) 26 Jan 1762, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Anna was born 29 Aug 1749, Demberg, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 108

Notes:

http://www.familysearch.org
JACOB ASAL
Spouse: ANNA RUF Family
Marriage: 26 JAN 1762 Evangelisch, Wies, Loerrach, Baden
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M936741 1738 - 1833 1189732 Film NONE

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 106

Michael married RIEDACHER, Catharina 15 Jul 1727, Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Catharina was born Between 20 and 21 Jan 1706, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany; died 27 May 1782, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 106

Notes:

Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 106

Notes:

Per LDS site:
Johann Georg SCHWALD
Sex: M

Marriage(s):
Spouse: Maria LENZ
Marriage: 17 Sep 1738
Evangelisch, Wies, Loerrach, Baden
-----Original Message-----
From: christof schwald
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:13 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Cc: Janet
Subject: Re: I am Back

Hi Roderick,
I'm glad to hear good news about your wife doing well and I have news for you:

Look in the old mail and find Johann Georg Schwald
He was born in 1715 in Gersbach and married Maria Lentz from Schwand in 1737. They lived in Wies-Fischenberg (You've been there the day we met first) and had eight children:
Magdalena * 1738 Schwand
Anna * 1741 Schwand + 1752
Maria * 1742 Fischenberg + 1742
Johann Georg *1743 Fischenberg (your line)
Johann Jacob * 1745 Fischenberg
Maria * 1746 Fischenberg
Margaretha * 1749 Fischenberg
Johann Friedrich * 1751 Fischenberg (my line)

The parents of Johann Georg Schwald were:
Michael Schwald, * 1685 Neuenweg, + 1745 Gersbach
married in 1711 in Gersbach
Anna Kneusslin, * 1682 Gersbach, + 1759 Gersbach, daughter of Hans Kneusslin and Anna Meyer in Gersbach

The parents of Michael Schwald were:
Bernhard Schwald, * 1655 Neuenweg, + ?
married 1677 in Neuenweg
Catharina Bleickner, *1656 in Neuenweg, daughter of Jacob Bleickner and Verena Zeh from Neuenweg

The parents of Bernhard Schwald were:
Jacob Schwald, *1614 in Neuenweg, + 1686 in Neuenweg
married 1643 in Neuenweg
Maria Kiefer, *1613 in Neuenweg, + 1677 in Neuenweg
They had twelve children!

I think Werner Schwalds line goes from one of this children. May be all Schwald lines go from this Jacob Schwald. There are no church books before 1600, so we can't go on now! I think it's ok here. Not everybody has a Stammbaum to 1613 but we have!

Another interesting thing is, how Michael Schwald came to Gersbach wich is about two days-walks from Neuenweg. Gersbach is like Neuenweg in The high black-forrest. I think that he had to go there as a boy in the summertime to keep care for the cows of other farmers. Poor people with many children used to give some children away in summer to other farmers. So they didn't have to feed them this time. Often those "cowboys" went all summer to the same farm and often married in the village or even in the family of the farmer.
Michaels son Johann Georg went back to the area his father was born. May be he found his wife when he joined a wedding of a cousin or an other festival.

Now you can complete your Stammbaum with 12 generations! Wish you a good work! Christof

From: dgudeman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 3:49 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Subject: Johann Georg Schwald -Maria Lenzin family
Per Christof:
Look in the old mail and find Johann Georg Schwald
He was born in 1715 in Gersbach and married Maria Lentz from Schwand in 1737. They lived in Wies-Fischenberg (You've been there the day we met first) and had eight children:
Magdalena * 1738 Schwand
Anna * 1741 Schwand + 1752
Maria * 1742 Fischenberg + 1742
Johann Georg *1743 Fischenberg (your line)
Johann Jacob * 1745 Fischenberg
Maria * 1746 Fischenberg
Margaretha * 1749 Fischenberg
Johann Friedrich * 1751 Fischenberg (my line)

The parents of Johann Georg Schwald were:
Michael Schwald, * 1685 Neuenweg, + 1745 Gersbach
married in 1711 in Gersbach
Anna Kneusslin, * 1682 Gersbach, + 1759 Gersbach, daughter of Hans Kneusslin and Anna Meyer in Gersbach

The parents of Michael Schwald were:
Bernhard Schwald, * 1655 Neuenweg, + ?
married 1677 in Neuenweg
Catharina Bleickner, *1656 in Neuenweg, daughter of Jacob Bleickner and Verena Zeh from Neuenweg

The parents of Bernhard Schwald were:
Jacob Schwald, *1614 in Neuenweg, + 1686 in Neuenweg
married 1643 in Neuenweg
Maria Kiefer, *1613 in Neuenweg, + 1677 in Neuenweg
They had twelve children!

I think Werner Schwalds line goes from one of this children. May be all Schwald lines go from this Jacob Schwald. There are no church books before 1600, so we can't go on now! I think it's ok here. Not everybody has a Stammbaum to 1613 but we have!

Another interesting thing is, how Michael Schwald came to Gersbach wich is about two days-walks from Neuenweg. Gersbach is like Neuenweg in The high black-forrest. I think that he had to go there as a boy in the summertime to keep care for the cows of other farmers. Poor people with many children used to give some children away in summer to other farmers. So they didn't have to feed them this time. Often those "cowboys" went all summer to the same farm and often married in the village or even in the family of the farmer.
Michaels son Johann Georg went back to the area his father was born. May be he found his wife when he joined a wedding of a cousin or an other festival.

per email:
Johann Georg Schwald of Grenzach married Maria Lenzin of Schwand in Wies on September 17, 1738. The father of Johann Georg was Michel Schwaldin of Grenzach (shown as Greszach) and an unnamed mother. The father of Maria was Michel Lenzin and an unnamed mother. The children of Johann Georg and Maria were:

1. Maria, born in Fischenberg on September 20, 1742. (The father was shown as Hans Jerg.)
2. Johann Georg, born in Fischenberg on September 10, 1743. (The father is shown as Hans Jerg.)
3. Johann Jacob, born in Fischenberg on January 11, 1744. (The father was shown as Johann Georg.)
4. Maria, born in Fischenberg on August 6, 1746. (The father was shown as Johann Georg.)
5. Margaretha, born in Fischenberg on February 20, 1748. (The father was shown as Johann Georg.)
6. Friedrich, born in Fischenberg on May, 24, 1750. (The father was shown as Hans Georg.)

All data are from roll #1189732.

I suspect that other children were born between 1738 and 1742 in, perhaps, Grenzach or Schwand. It was highly unusual for a couple to wait four years before having their first child, and it was even not at all uncommon for the bride to be pregnant at the time of the marriage.

What micro-film rolls have you ordered?

I have some reservations about Grenzach. It is spelled in an unusual way on the marriage record and it is a long way from Fischenberg and Schwand. Althoug there is no other name spelled even close to it, further research needs to verify it.

NOTE: LAST BORN SON...IS CHRISTOF'S ANCESTOR...CHRISTOF'S BRANCH STARTS HERE

Johann Georg SCHWALD
Sex: M

Marriage(s):
Spouse: Maria LENZ
Marriage: 17 Sep 1738
Evangelisch, Wies, Loerrach, Baden
Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type
M936741 1738-1833 1189732

Birth:
BIRTH DATE DISCREPANCIES:
- 29 Apr 1715; Bap. record (ancestry.com)

Name:
NAME VARIATIONS:
- Hanß [Hanss] Jerg SCHWALD; Bap. record (ancestry.com)

Johann married LENTZ, Maria 17 Sep 1738, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Maria was born Abt 1717, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Per LDS Site:
Johann Georg SCHWALD
Sex: M

Marriage(s):
Spouse: Maria LENZ
Marriage: 17 Sep 1738
Evangelisch, Wies, Loerrach, Baden

Possible her record??
Maria LENTZ (AFN: 104R-NRS) Pedigree
Sex: F Family

Event(s):
Birth: 28 Sep 1717
Sallneck, Loerrach, Baden, Germany

Parents:
Father: Frederich Aka Fritz LENTZ (AFN: 104R-PCH) Family
Mother: Anna TREFZER (AFN: 104R
Maria LENTZ (AFN: 104R-NRS) Pedigree
Sex: F

Submitter(s):
KAREN M. URICK Microfilm: NONE
109 WEST MAIN STREET
BOX 609
HART MI Submission: AF93-102752
USA 49420


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