SWALD SCHWALD, Ernst Philipp "Philip"

Other Events:

• Immigration: 25 Aug 1880, New York, New York; Philippe Schwold
• City Directory: 1889-1891, Utica, Oneida, New York; Name - Occupation - Address - City, State - Year Philip Swald - laborer - 85 Warren - Utica, New York - 1889 Philip Swald - laborer - 85 Warren - Utica, New York - 1890 Philip Swald - laborer - 85 Warren - Utica, New York - 1891
• Census: 16 Jun 1900, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife & children
• Census: 19-20 Apr 1910, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife & children
• Census: 1 Jun 1915, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife, children, s-i-l & granddaughters
• Census: 12 Jan 1920, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife & daughter
• Census: 9 Apr 1930, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife

Notes:

Died:
DEATH & BURIAL - Oneida Co. GENWEB - http://oneida.nygenweb.net/cemeteries/utica/newforests.txt
New Forest Cemetery List:
NAME - PARENTS - Funeral Director - Marital Status - DOB - DOD - BURIAL DATE - BOOK#/PAGE# - PLOT#/LOT#/GRAVE#
Swald Philip - _ - J. Langdon - M - 11/14/1861 - 06/20/1934 - 06/23/1934 - 4/132 - 10/1347/2

Ernst married WUNDERLE, Katherine "Kate" 1884, New York. Katherine (daughter of WUNDERLE, Donat and ACKERMANN, Christine) was born 26 Aug 1862, Germany; died 24 Mar 1940, Utica, Oneida, New York; was buried 27 Mar 1940, New Forest Cemetery, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Census: 16 Jun 1900, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/parents & siblings

Mary married RIEP, Ernest Martin 15 Jun 1904, Utica, Oneida, New York. Ernest (son of Living and Living) was born 25 Apr 1879, Germany; died 27 May 1962, Utica, Oneida, New York; was buried 30 May 1962, New Forest Cemetery, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Census: 16 Jun 1900, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/parents & siblings
• Census: 19-20 Apr 1910, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/parents & siblings
• Occupation: 5 Jun 1917, Utica, Oneida, New York; Saloon Business
• Military: 5 Jun 1917, Utica, Oneida, New York; WWI DRAFT REGISTRATION Ernst Phillip Swald

Notes:

Birth:
BIRTH DATE:
- 3 Jun 1889; WWI Draft Registration

Ernest married MCGUIRL, Kathleen 30 Jun 1913, Utica, Oneida, New York. Kathleen (daughter of MCGUIRL, Michael and UNKNOWN, Bridget) was born 15 Feb 1891, New York; died Aug 1977, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

1920 U.S. Census - New York
1920 U.S. Census ? New York ? Oneida ? Utica City ? ED# 134 pg. 14 0f 17, line 83

Living with Father-in-law, Henry J. Burns, at time of 1920 Census, with wife, Grace, and two sons, Alfred J. Swald, Jr, and John Francis Swald

Alfred married BURNS, Grace A. Utica, Oneida, New York. Grace (daughter of BURNS, Henry J. and CARROLL, Mary Eliza) was born Oct 1894, Lyonsdale, Lewis, New York; died 1949, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

SSDI
1982HELEN BUTTENSCHON 23 Dec 1899 Nov 1982 13323 (Clinton, Oneida, New York) (none specified) 059-22-8169 New York


conversation with Carl Buttenschon 17 April 2002.

My mother had bright light blue eyes and dark hair. My grandfather had a garden in his backyard.

I was a pilot in the Arm Air Corps during WWII.

I retired from banking and credit life insurance.

I remember Alfred Sr.'s sons, Alfred and Edward.

conversation w/Dot & Carl Buttenschon 4/27/02
Helen married Carl Buttenshoen
Carl's Father, Frederick Buttenschon
Carl Jr. b: jun 27, 1921
He married Dorothy "Dot" Frances Henry
Carl & Dot had two girls
Nancy b: 1948 - 2002 lives Mt. Vernon, Tx
Susan b. Jan 21, 1950 - 2002 lives Houston, Tx
Helen and Carl Buttenschon lived in upper apt
of her parent's, Philip & Kath Swald, house.
Helen and Carl took care of Philip and Kath.
Philip and Kath Swald left house to Helen and Carl.
Ernest Swald got miffed cuz Helen and Carl got house.
Helen & Ernest's wife, Kath, would speak on the phone.
Carl remembers his mother's (Helen Swald) cousin,
Mary Schwald Kiefer's daughter, Lizzie Kiefer.
Lizzie married Ed Moll(he worked for a field co.
They lived in Buffalo, New York & had no children

Helen married BUTTENSCHON, Carl William (Sr.) 9 Jun 1920, Oneida County, New York. Carl (son of Living and Living) was born 16 Aug 1897; died Nov 1985, Clinton, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Per Conversation with Carl Buttenshon 17 April 2002:

Rome School for the Deaf in Rome, New York
Edna was deaf and mute

Edna died in 1942 of breast cancer

LastName FirstName MiddleParentsNameFuneralDirectorM.Status
Rick Mary Philip & Mary SwaldW. J. SteifvaterM
Schafer EmmaCarl & Phillipine SchwaldH.KeilbachM
Swald PhilipJ.LangdonM
Swald KatherineDorrat & Catherine WunderlyJ. J. LangdonM
Riep Edna M.Ernest&Mary Swald RiepH.KeilbachS
Riep Ernest C.Ernest M.&Caroline Schwald RiepH.KeilbachS
Riep Ernest M. FriedelM
Riep Caroline S.Carl&Phillipine Young SchwaldJohn s. Friedel Fun HomeW
Allen Lillian R.Ernest Martin-Mary Swald RiepElwood T Day Funeral HomeW

LastName FirstName MiddleDOBDODDOInternBook#
Rick Mary 21 Mar 188511-Oct-1814-Oct-182
Schafer Emma14 Feb 189227-Mar-3130-Mar-313
Swald Philip14 Nov 186120-Jun-3423-Jun-344
Swald Katherine26 Aug 186224-Mar-4027-Mar-404
Riep Edna M.21-Apr-0508-May-4211-May-424
Riep Ernest C.11-Jun-2106-Sep-449-Sep-444
Riep Ernest M. 25 Apr 187927-May-6230-May-625
Riep Caroline S.25 Jan 189727-Jun-7530-Jun-756
Allen Lillian R.15-Jan-0821-Oct-7625-Oct-766

LastName FirstName MiddleBookpg#Plot#Lot#Grave#
Rick Mary 7681013471
Schafer Emma711418291
Swald Philip1321013472
Swald Katherine4631013473
Riep Edna M.5811013474
Riep Ernest C.7081021411
Riep Ernest M. 7011021412
Riep Caroline S.11981021413
Allen Lillian R.12401021433

Notes:

U.S. Census > 1930 United States Federal Census > New York > Oneida > Utica > District 141 living with parents,
living next to Carl and Philippine Schwald

ID: I0708
Name: Lillian R. Riep
Sex: F
Birth: 15 JAN 1908 in Utica, N.Y.
Death: 21 OCT 1976 in Utica, New York
Burial: 25 OCT 1976 New Forest Cemetery, Utica, New York
Note: Widowed at time of death.


LastName FirstName MiddleParentsNameFuneralDirectorM.Status
Rick Mary Philip & Mary SwaldW. J. SteifvaterM
Schafer EmmaCarl & Phillipine SchwaldH.KeilbachM
Swald PhilipJ.LangdonM
Swald KatherineDorrat & Catherine WunderlyJ. J. LangdonM
Riep Edna M.Ernest&Mary Swald RiepH.KeilbachS
Riep Ernest C.Ernest M.&Caroline Schwald RiepH.KeilbachS
Riep Ernest M. FriedelM
Riep Caroline S.Carl&Phillipine Young SchwaldJohn s. Friedel Fun HomeW
Allen Lillian R.Ernest Martin-Mary Swald RiepElwood T Day Funeral HomeW

LastName FirstName MiddleDOBDODDOInternBook#
Rick Mary 21 Mar 188511-Oct-1814-Oct-182
Schafer Emma14 Feb 189227-Mar-3130-Mar-313
Swald Philip14 Nov 186120-Jun-3423-Jun-344
Swald Katherine26 Aug 186224-Mar-4027-Mar-404
Riep Edna M.21-Apr-0508-May-4211-May-424
Riep Ernest C.11-Jun-2106-Sep-449-Sep-444
Riep Ernest M. 25 Apr 187927-May-6230-May-625
Riep Caroline S.25 Jan 189727-Jun-7530-Jun-756
Allen Lillian R.15-Jan-0821-Oct-7625-Oct-766

LastName FirstName MiddleBookpg#Plot#Lot#Grave#
Rick Mary 7681013471
Schafer Emma711418291
Swald Philip1321013472
Swald Katherine4631013473
Riep Edna M.5811013474
Riep Ernest C.7081021411
Riep Ernest M. 7011021412
Riep Caroline S.11981021413
Allen Lillian R.12401021433


From Pat Aiken, Ernest Philip Swald's, Gdaughter:

Hi Janet and Rod,

Thanks so much for the information. I am so excited about it! I was just about to tell you about Mary Swald'd daughter, Lillian Allen, when I saw that she was in the Family Tree. I must get in touch with Ronald Swald as he is local and probably knows a lot about the family in this area. Lillian Allen used to call my grandmother and also my mother, Mary Swald. She had an illlness, not sure what it was, perhaps MS, MD or polio, but she was in a wheelchair. I met one of her sons when I was about 15 at a dance and he called me the next day to say we were cousins! as his mother recognized the name. He died quite young at about 37, it was sudden and really don't know if they found out what it was. He had three sons. One of Lillian's sons was born on my birthday, same year, same hospital. My mother and Lilllian were in the hospital together, 2 weeks for a baby then!!! He was a minister and lived away, not sure where but thought it was out of USA. Lillian's oldest son is President ot Utica Cutlery which is a position her huband held. Lucky for her that she married him as she was well-taken care of at home with nurses. I didn't know that Lillian had a sister and never really heard her mentioned. I often wonder why my grandfather didn't see his brother Alfred. They weren't very close. Maybe it was the religion thing. I feel I missed knowing them. Ed Swald did call my grandmother and I think he stopped to see her along with his wife now and then. I met him at my father's funeral and he was a tall strapping guy who I think looked a lot like my grandfather. I was 10 1/2 when my grandfather died and my brother was almost 12.
It left an emptiness as we were the only grandchildren. I

We were in Germany in 1985 but mostly in the Munich area. It was a vacation for our 25th wedding anniversary. We traveled a lot and saw a lot. We have friends in Vienna and we visited them and went to Switzerland, Northern Italy and part of Germany. Would like to go back as we were only there 3 weeks and weren't able to stay anywhere very long. From looking at the map it looks like Baden is near the Rhine River and we didn't go anywhere near there.

Janet - would like to know which girl you are in the picture of your lovely family. I have some really great pictures but we don't known how to scan them. Our sons will be home for the 4th and we will have them show us how. I am quite sure that the picture I have is Philip and Catherine. There is another woman in the picture and it may be Catherine's mother. They all look very unhappy!! I enjoyed the picture of Philip and Catherine with Carl and Carl, Jr. At a simillar age my grandfather looked a lot like his father, same shaped face and same type of hair, his hair turned white at an early age and was very thick. My Dad looked more like the McGuirls. I think Kathleen who died looked more like her father.

I have a friend who teaches geneology and she told me all the work it is and all the time it takes. My friends are envious of me that it is all done and all I have to do is sign on. Thanks again for getting in touch and will get the pictures on line as soon as I can.

Love, Pat

Notes: This must be one of Lillian's sons or grandsons
Past President of American Edged Products Association
1969-1971
A. Edward Allen, Jr.
Utica Cutlery Company

Walco Stainless, Div. of Utica Cutlery Company
820 Noyes Street - P.O. Box 10527
13503 Utica, New York
U.S.A.
Tel.: +1 (0315) 733 4663
Toll free: (800) 879 2526
Fax: +1 (0315) 733 6602
ENGLISH SPEAKING MANAGERS
Mrs Kathleen Allen - Vice President of Sales
Mr. Ted Allen - Import/Export Manager Tel.: +1 (0315) 733 4663

Sales Mgr. Contact
Ted Allen or
Mrs. Kathleen Allen
315-733-4663

David Allen Ext. 247.
left a msg.

http://www.walcostainless.com/
left a request form:
Dear Mr. John G. Krol - V.P. Sales/Marketing:

I came across your website: http://www.wcb.it/wcb/cutlery/history/H119.htm

Walco Stainless, Div. of Utica Cutlery Company
820 Noyes Street - P.O. Box 10527
13503 Utica, New York
U.S.A.
Tel.: +1 (0315) 733 4663
Toll free: (800) 879 2526
Fax: +1 (0315) 733 6602
ENGLISH SPEAKING MANAGERS
Mrs Kathleen Allen - Vice President of Sales
Mr. Ted Allen - Import/Export Manager Tel.: +1 (0315) 733 4663.

Please help. I am trying to contact with your sales Mgr. Ted Allen.

I believe he is my lost cousin.

I believe Ted Allen is the descendent of Ted Allen and Lillian Riep b: 1908
d: 1976 (dau. of Mary Swald and Ernest Martin Riep).

I believe his mother/grandmother/great grandmother is Lillian Allen.
Lillian Allen's grandfather is my Great Great Uncle!!!


My brother and I have been searching a long time for Lillian's descendents,
and many many family members are anxious to hear if we have made contact
with you. Some are still living in Germany!!!

We are in contact with all of Lillian's Swald Uncles' and Aunt's
descendents, many in the Utica area. If you could forward this message to
Ted Allen or any of his Allen family it is greatly appreciated.

We have the Swald (correct spelling Schwald) family history going back to the early 1600's.

The only information we have on the Lillian:

Lillian Allen's grandfather is my Great Great Uncle!!!

1. Lillian Allen's maternal grandparents Philip Swald (real name Ernst
Philip Schwald) b: 1860 (imm. to US in 1880 from Germany) and Katherine
Wunderle b: 1862 had 4 children, Mary, Ernest, Alfred, and Helen.

2. Lillian Allen's parents were Ernest Martin Riep and Mary Swald b: 1885

3. Lillian's mother Mary Swald Riep died in 1918 from the flu epidemic. Lillian's father then married Mary's cousin, Caroline Schwald in 1920.

4. Lillian's Aunt Caroline Schwald Riep raised Lillian and her sister Edna Riep in Utica, New York.


5. Lillian had a half-brother Ernest C. Riep b: 1921 d: 1944


6. Lillian Riep Allen's husband, Ted Allen b: Abt 1905, was past President of Utica Cutlery Co.

7. Lillian had at least two sons, one of whom was president of the Utica Cutlery co.,

8. One of Lillian's sons was a minister,

9. One of Lillian's sons had 3 sons,

10. One of Lillian's sons died suddenly at abt. age 37,

11. One of Lillian's sons was born on 23 Feb 1940, at the same hospital and on the same day as his cousin Patricia Swald Aiken.

Please visit the Swald/Schwald family website
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/c/h/Roderick-A-Schwald/?Welcome=1030641543.


To view Lillian and Ted's family information please go to
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/c/h/Roderick-A-Schwald/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0709.html.


You will see we do not have much information listed, as we are desperately trying to find her descendents!!

Hoping and praying we may make contact with our lost family members, I am

Sincerely yours,

Janet Schwald Regan

From: Ann Marie Allen
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:35:37 EDT
Subject: Swald/Riep relatives
To: Janet

Dear Janet,

What a shock and surprise to have my brother Ed call me from his offi
at the Cutlery Co. this morning to say he had forwarded your letter to me.
So I read it immediately and here I am because you have indeed found
relatives of Ernest and Lillian Riep. I am not very good at the computer but
I did go to the genealogy page and found myself staring at a picture of my
great grandmother Katherine Wunderle Schwald!


I am Ann Marie Allen Ross Stillman. I am the first born of Ted and
Lillian Allen, 6/10/31. My brother A. Edward Allen, Jr, is 10/6/34. My late
brother James William Allen was born 12/?/38. And my third brother, John
Walter Allen was born 2/12/40, not the date you had. My first husband,
George Ross, is an Episcopal priest. That is where the idea of a minister in
the family comes from. Unfortunately we were divorced in 1978.


I remember meeting my Great grandmother Katherine and Philip as well,
though he died soon thereafter and she died also. I remember my mother's
aunt Helen and her kids. I myself am named for my mother's sister, Edna
Marie Riep. She died of cancer when she was in her 30's. She was deaf a
dumb.


We three living Ted and Lillian Elizabeth Riep Allen children still live
in this area. I am outside of Utica; Ed is in New Hartford (a Utica suburb)
and Jack lives in Syracuse. I have 4 children, Ed also has 4, Jim was t
one with 3 sons, and Jack has 2 children. Jack married late so he is not yet
a grandfather, but the rest of us have grandchildren.

It is so exciting to find relatives. At 71 I find myself very much aware
of what I do not know of our family history, either the Schwald, the Riep, or
the Allen. So, I look forward to hearing from you, Janet. I have no idea
where you are but it will be great to find out. Ann Stillman - your
cousin at some level!

Lillian — ALLEN, Albert Edward "Ted" (Sr.). Albert (son of ALLEN, John and FORTNAN, Annie (Fontnam)) was born 15 Jan 1902, New York; died 16 Oct 1964, New York; was buried 19 Oct 1964, New Forest Cemetery, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

[Swald.ftw]

April 2002 Conver. w/Dot Buttenshoen, wife of P.Swald's gson
Philip Swald and Kathleen both buried in New Forest Cemetery, New York

Mary Swald Riep died of flu epidemic in abt 1919. Had twin girls.
Edna died 1842 breast CA.
Lillian married Ted Allen,worked w/Utica Cutlery, made knives

Earnest lived on Oneida lake. Marr. Kathleen McGuirl
Had a girl. She died at xmas of diptheria
Had a boy, Ernest J., who - married Mary (Przyborowski)
Ernest Swald Jr. worked for taxi cab service and ambulance service
Ernest Jr. had two children boy and girl


ERNEST SWALD Request Information (SS-5)
SSN 134-10-3654 Residence: 13501 Utica, Oneida, New York
Born 18 Feb 1914 Last Benefit: 13503 Utica, Oneida, New York

SSDI

1978ERNEST (J., Sr) SWALD 18 Feb 1914 Aug 1978 13501 (Utica, Oneida, New York) 13503 (Utica, Oneida, New York) 134-10-3654 New York

ERNEST SWALD 18 Feb 1914 Aug 1978 13501 (Utica, Oneida, New York) 13503 (Utica, Oneida, New York) 134-10-3654 New York

Ernest — Living. (daughter of Living and Living) [Group Sheet]

Notes:

died at xmas eve.

June 2002 Conver. w/Pat Swald Aiken, P.Swald's ggdau.
Buried on top of Kathleen McGuirl's mother...too poor

April 2002 Conver. w/Dot Buttenshoen, wife of P.Swald's gson
Philip Swald and Kathleen both buried in New Forest Cemetery, New York

Mary Swald Riep died of flu epidemic in abt 1919. Had twin girls.
Edna died 1842 breast CA.
Lillian married Ted Allen,worked w/Utica Cutlery, made knives

Earnest lived on Oneida lake. Marr. Kathleen McGuirl
Had a girl. She died at xmas of diptheria
Had a boy, Ernest J., who - married Mary (Przyborowski)
Ernest Swald Jr. worked for taxi cab service and ambulance service
Ernest Jr. had two children boy and girl

Living married TANNER, E. [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Also Known As: Jack

Notes:

Per Carl Buttenshon: Jack and his family moved to Florida.

Per Dot:

Jack's wife was Catholic. Was over for dinner and Dot was fixing meatloaf. Children wouldn't eat the meat because it Friday.

With Anne's urging, she said it was all right to eat the dinner.

John married THRASHER, Anna Isabel 12 Jul 1941. Anna (daughter of THRASHER, John Wharram and PHILLIPS, Isabel Sarah) was born 16 Jun 1920, Oriskany Falls, Oneida, New York; died 14 Jul 2011, Utica, Oneida, New York; was buried Jul 2011, Oriskany, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

John married Living [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Buried:
BURIAL
Mount Olivet Cemetery
Whitesboro, Oneida, New York

Edward married THRASHER, Marian Nellie 14 Jul 1945, Utica, Oneida, New York. Marian (daughter of THRASHER, John Wharram and PHILLIPS, Isabel Sarah) was born 31 Oct 1922, Oriskany, Oneida, New York; died 17 Feb 1977, Oriskany, Oneida, New York; was buried Abt. 19 Feb 1977, Oriskany, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Edward married WALKER, Gladys I. 11 Jun 1978, New York. Gladys (daughter of Living and Living) was born 9 Mar 1918; died 19 Oct 1987, Oriskany, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Edward married JAMESON, Irma L. Nov 1988. Irma was born 4 Jan 1918; died 12 Feb 1997, Rome, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Carl married HENRY, Dorothy Frances 24 Nov 1945, Utica, Oneida, New York. Dorothy (daughter of Living and WALDEN, Nannie Neomi) was born 25 Aug 1923, Birmingham, Shelby, Alabama; died 11 Jan 2014, Dallas, Dallas, Texas; was buried Abt. 13 Jan 2014, Dallas County, Texas. [Group Sheet]

Marion — Living. [Group Sheet]

Marion — Living. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

SSDI
ROBERT BUTTENSCHON 06 Dec 1929 Mar 1987 (not specified) (none specified) 125-20-4281 New York

Robert married Living [Group Sheet]

Living married SCHOFER, D.F. [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living — .. Unknown [Group Sheet]

Living — .. Unknown [Group Sheet]

Living married Living (daughter of Living and Living) [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living married Living (daughter of Living and Living) [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Lester married Living [Group Sheet]

Lester married Living [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Living married . Unknown [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Living married Living (daughter of STOCKBRIDGE, Harold Francis and Living) [Group Sheet]

Living married Living (daughter of CIELOCK, Chester S. and Living) [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]

Living — Living. [Group Sheet]