SCHWALD, Friedrich "Fritz Friz"

Friedrich married HOMBERGER, Anna Barbara 17 Feb 1801, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Anna (daughter of HOMBERGER, Jacob and LAIS, Anna Barbara) was born 17 Jan 1778, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany; died 3 Feb 1852, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: Nagelschmidt/Blacksmith

Notes:

Father shown as Friedrich

From: "dave gudeman"
To: "Janet"
Subject: Re: Schwald lineage
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:07:50 -0500

It is true that Friedrich Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger had two
children before they were married, as is shown on Hanno's web-site.
1, Johann Friedrich Schwald, born in Wies on March 4, 1798. (The father was
shown as Friedrich.)
2. Anna Barbara Schwald, born in Wies on May 4, 1800. (The father was shown
as Friz.)
You will notice that they were both born with the Schwald name, quite unusal
for a child who was born out of wedlock to be given the name of the father
rather the mother. It is obvious that it was no secret who the father was,
and Friedrich and Anna Barbara probably had full intentions of marrying
later. I find it interesting that the two children born before the marriage
were born in Wies, the home of Anna Barbara, whereas the eight children born
after the marriage were born in Fischenberg, the home of Friedrich.
(Johannes (1822) was born in Fischenberg, not in Wies as shown on Hanno's
website.) I missed these two children the first time, probably because it
did not occur to me to check for births before the marriage.
It is curious that Hanno lists the two children born before the marriage,
and the first child born after the marriage, and the last child born; but
fails to show the six children born between 1802 and 1822.
It is true that a Frieddich Schwald, a widower, married a Barbara
Doerflingerin in 1828, as shown on Hanno's website. But this Friedrich was
not the Friedrich who was married to Anna Barbara Homberger, your ancestor.
Anna Barbara did not die until February 3, 1852 in Fischenberg.
Hanno lists over 16,000 names on his web site, and I wonder where he picks
up all this information. He is causing a lot of confusion and damage
because, it appears to me, he is more interested in quantity rather than
quality.

From: "dave gudeman"
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002

Johann Friedrich Schwald (1798), a son of Friedrich Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger, married Anna Barbara Weiss (not Weis) in Fischenberg on July 28, 1825. She was a daughter of Martin Weiss. Anna Barbara Weiss died in Wies in 1827 when she was 25 years, 2 months, and 29 days old. At that time Johann Friedrich was shown as a citizen and bkacksmith (Nagelschmidt) in Wies. He married Barbara Doerflinger of Wies in Wies on December 3, 1828. She was a daughter of the deceased Mathias Doerflinger of Wies. Barbara was born in Wies on April 29, 1801. At the time of his second marriage, Johann Friedrich was still shown as a Nagelschmidt in Wies.

Johann married WEISS, Anna Barbara 28 Jul 1825, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Anna (daughter of Living) was born Abt 1802; died 1827, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Johann married DOERFLINGER, Barbara 3 Dec 1828, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Barbara (daughter of DOERFLINGER, Mathias) was born 29 Apr 1801, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Father shown as Fritz

From: "dave gudeman"
To: "Janet"
Subject: Re: Schwald lineage
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:07:50 -0500

It is true that Friedrich Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger had two
children before they were married, as is shown on Hanno's web-site.
1, Johann Friedrich Schwald, born in Wies on March 4, 1798. (The father was
shown as Friedrich.)
2. Anna Barbara Schwald, born in Wies on May 4, 1800. (The father was shown
as Friz.)
You will notice that they were both born with the Schwald name, quite unusal
for a child who was born out of wedlock to be given the name of the father
rather the mother. It is obvious that it was no secret who the father was,
and Friedrich and Anna Barbara probably had full intentions of marrying
later. I find it interesting that the two children born before the marriage
were born in Wies, the home of Anna Barbara, whereas the eight children born
after the marriage were born in Fischenberg, the home of Friedrich.
(Johannes (1822) was born in Fischenberg, not in Wies as shown on Hanno's
website.) I missed these two children the first time, probably because it
did not occur to me to check for births before the marriage.
It is curious that Hanno lists the two children born before the marriage,
and the first child born after the marriage, and the last child born; but
fails to show the six children born between 1802 and 1822.
It is true that a Frieddich Schwald, a widower, married a Barbara
Doerflingerin in 1828, as shown on Hanno's website. But this Friedrich was
not the Friedrich who was married to Anna Barbara Homberger, your ancestor.
Anna Barbara did not die until February 3, 1852 in Fischenberg.
Hanno lists over 16,000 names on his web site, and I wonder where he picks
up all this information. He is causing a lot of confusion and damage
because, it appears to me, he is more interested in quantity rather than
quality.

Notes:

Father was shown as Fritz

Notes:

Father shown as Friedrich

Per David Gudeman:

Anna Maria had a daughter named Anna Maria in Fischenberg on December 9, 1827

Anna — . Unknown [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Father shown as Friedrich

From: "dave gudeman"
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002

The birth record of Magdalena Schwald, the daughter of Friedrich Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger, clearly shows that she was born in September 1806, not in August 1806, as Fred states. The exact day in September is questionable, but not the month. You can bet the South forty on this. I wonder where Fred came up with the month of August.

His mother: Madelaine Schwald: deceased 19 05 1844 in Kaltenbach Baden Germany

Bonjour Christof,

Je te remercie beaucoup pour ton e-mail, et merci beaucoup d'avoir ?crit en
fran?ais. Je vais te donner les noms et les dates de mes anc?tres au moment
ou ils sont arriv?s en France. Ne connaissant pas l'allemand je n'ai pas pu
faire des recherches en Allemagne.

Raymond Schwald : n? le 24 01 1954 ? Strasbourg en France.
Mon p?re : Robert Schwald : n? le 12 03 1925 ? Colmar en France
Son p?re : Fran?ois, Eug?ne Schwald : n? le 28 12 1883 ? Turckheim en
France.
Son p?re : Fran?ois-Joseph Schwald : n? le 04 06 1861 ? Turckheim en France.
Son p?re : Jean, Georges Schwald : n? le 29 11 1829 ? Fischenberg (
Fichenberg ?) Bade en Allemagne.
Sa m?re : Madelaine Schwald : d?c?d? le 19 05 1844 ? Kaltenbach Bade en
Allemagne.
Son p?re : Fr?d?rique Schwald : d?c?d? le 19 12 1839 ? Fischenberg Bade en
Allemagne

Certains documents ?crivent Fischenberg avec un s ou sans s !

Fischenberg d?pendrait de la paroisse de Wies (code postale 79697) et cette
derni?re d?pendrait de Weitenau ?
Kaltenbach d?pendrait de la paroisse de Vogelbach ( code postal 79875) ?

Je ne suis pas s?r de ces informations.

Si tu pouvais m'aider dans mes recherches je serais tr?s heureux.

Merci beaucoup et ? bient?t,
Raymond Schwald.

Hello Christof,
I thank you much for your e-mail, and thank you very much for writing in French. I will give you the names and the dates of my ancestors at the time they arrived to France.

Not knowing German, I have not been able to make research in Germany.

Raymond Schwald: born 24 01 1954 in Strasbourg in France.
My father: Robert Schwald: born 12 03 1925 in Colmar in France.
His father: Francois, Eugene Schwald: born 28 12 1883 in Turckheim in France.
His father: Fran?ois-Joseph Schwald: born 04 06 1861 in Turckheim in France.
His father: Jean, George Schwald: born 29 11 1829 in Fischenberg Baden Germany.
His mother: Madelaine Schwald: deceased 19 05 1844 in Kaltenbach Baden Germany.
Her father: Frederique Schwald: deceased 19 12 1839 in Fischenberg Baden Germany

Certain documents write Fischenberg with an S or without S!
Would Fischenberg depend on the parish of Wies (code postal 79697) and the latter would depend on Weitenau?
Would Kaltenbach depend on the parish of Vogelbach (postal code 79875)?
I am not sure of this information. If you could assist in my research I would be very happy.
Thank you very much and write soon,
Raymond Schwald.

Magdalena — . Unknown [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Father shown as Fritz

From: dave gudeman
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:40 AM
To: Roderick Schwald
Cc: Fred Wehrle
Subject: Schwald lineage

It is true that you and Dieter Scfwald of Malsburg are related. However, information that Hanno sent me failed to make the connection. Dieter's lineage went back 4 generations and then it hit a snag by omitting generations # 5 and #6 and then jumping to generation #7. The confusion may have been caused by the fact that Gustav Schwald of generation #4 was illegitimate and was born as Gustav Homberger, not as Gustav Schwald. In the event that this confusion has not already been clarified, I submit the following:
#4 Generation: Gustav Schwald (born as Gustav Homberger) was born in Wies on February 15, 1861, to Maria Barbara Homberger, a single woman. Gustav married Carolina Spohn in Wies on May 21, 1885. They had a son, Wilhelm, born in Wies on January 7, 1887. Carolina was born in Wies on October 3, 1860, to Wilhelm Spohn and Maria Katharina Graesslin.
#5 Generation: Johann Georg Schwald was born in Wies on July 19, 1836, to Friedrich (Fritz) Schwald and Anna Maria Flatt. Johann Georg married Maria Barbara Homberger in Wies on November 14, 1861. They had a son, Gustav, on February 15, 1861, out of wedlock. Maria Barbara was born in Wies on November 3, 1837, to Georg Friedrich Homberger and Anna Maria Schlageter(?).
#6 Generation: Friedrich (Fritz) Schwald was born in Fischenberg on December 1, 1809, to Friedrich (Fritz) Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger. Friedrich married Anna Maria Flatt in Wies on September 9, 1833. They had a son, Johann Georg, in Wies on July 19, 1836. Anna Maria Flatt was a widow of Johann Lenzin of Wies, who died on August 16, 1831.
#7 Generation: Friedrich (Fritz) Schwald was born in Fischenberg on September 13, 1772, to Johann Georg Schwald and Anna Maria Wagner. Friedrich married Anna Barbara Homberger in Wies on February 17, 1801. They had a son, Friedrich,. in Fischenberg on December 1, 1809.

This means that Friedrich (Fritz) Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger are the common ancestors of you and Dieter.
As it turns out, there were three missing generations rather than two, as stated in Hanno's E-mail.

The foregoing information was obtained from Mormon Micro-films 1189731, 1189732, and 1189733.

From: "dave gudeman"
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002

In Dieter's line, the wife of Friedrich Schwald (1809) was definitely (repeat, definitely) shown in the marriage record in 1833 as Anna Maria Flatt (not Flad) of Wies. In later years, the name Flad is commonally found in the Malsburg records. It appears that the spelling of the name may have gradually permuted from Flatt to Flad. Another possibility (although I seriously doubt it) is that there were two distinct families with similar names.

Note: Anna Maria Flatt was born on August 17, 1810 in Wies. When she married Friedrich in 1833, she was a widow. Her first husband, Johannes Buergin, died in Wies on August 16, 1831.

Friedrich married FLATT, Anna Maria (Flath) 9 Sep 1833, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Anna was born 17 Aug 1810, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Father shown as Fritz

Notes:

Father shown as Fritz

1. Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 440

Friedlin married RIEDACHER, Catharina Barbara 22 Sep 1842, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Catharina was born 4 Jun 1819, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Father shown as Fritz[cfschwaldOR.FTW]

Name taken from Charles F. Schwald death certificate.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100210850693&lds=1®ion=8®ionfriendly=&juris1=&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=
JOHANN JACOB SCHWALD
Male Family
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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Marriages:
Spouse: ANNA KATHARINA STRUETT Family
Marriage: 12 FEB 1840 Evangelisch, Wies, Loerrach, Baden
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Typ

M936742 1834 - 1895 1189731 Film NONE

Johann married Living [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: Bauer (Farmer)
• Occupation: Tagloehner (Day-laborer)

Johannes married PFUNDER, Maria Magdalena 10 Jul 1845, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany. Maria (daughter of PFUNDER, Jacob Friedrich and LAEUGER, Anna Maria) was born 27 Jul 1823, Hofen, Loerrrach, Baden, Germany ; died Aft 1872, Basel, Switzerland. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Anna Maria had a daughter named Anna Maria in Fischenberg on December 9, 1827

Notes:

per David Gudeman:

Magdalena had an unnamed daughter on January 21, 1827 in Fischenberg. The child was stillborn.

Other Events:

• Also Known As: Jean George Schwald

Johann — . Unknown [Group Sheet]

Notes:

birth to Gustav in Feb 1861....married in Nov 1861

From: dave gudeman Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:40 AM
To: Roderick Schwald
Cc: Fred Wehrle
Subject: Schwald lineage

#5 Generation: Johann Georg Schwald was born in Wies on July 19, 1836, to Friedrich (Fritz) Schwald and Anna Maria Flatt. Johann Georg married Maria Barbara Homberger in Wies on November 14, 1861. They had a son, Gustav, on February 15, 1861, out of wedlock. Maria Barbara was born in Wies on November 3, 1837, to Georg Friedrich Homberger and Anna Maria Schlageter(?).

Johann married HOMBERGER, Maria Barbara 14 Nov 1861, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Maria (daughter of Living and Living) was born 3 Nov 1837, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 440

Suicide

poss marriage:

JOHANN JAKOB SCHWALD
Male Family
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: ANNA MUNGER Family
Marriage: 04 FEB 1864 Wohlen, Bern, Switzerland

OR????????

JOHANN JACOB SCHWALD
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: ANNA MUENGER Family
Marriage: 04 FEB 1864 Evangelisch, Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Typ

M934124 1816 - 1885 1189426 Film NONE

Johann — Living. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 440

Notes:

Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 440

Notes:

Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 440

Notes:

Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 440

Notes:

Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 440

Other Events:

• Occupation: Farmer
• Immigration: 1883

Notes:

[cfschwaldOR.FTW]

Met Margaret in Minnasota.
Charles was a cowboy in Walla Walla before buying his acres of land.

The following article appeared in a 1912 edition of 'Who's Who in the Walla Walla Valley:
CHAS. SCHWALD
No visit to the Valley is complete wtihout having seen "Pleasant View Ranch".
Here with his delightful family, resides Charles Schwald, one of the leading men of the Sunnyside District.
Born in Baden, Germany in 1883. (I believe this date is a misprint as our information states that he and his wife came to
the Walla Walla Valley in 1886)
Mr. Schwald came to the United States 26 years ago, and four years later located on his present farm.
He started operations with $600. and has now 100 acres, worth from $250. to $300. per acre.
This fine ranch produces over 200 tons of alfalfa yearly, as well as large quantities of fruit and vegetables.
Two years ago Mr. Schwald built the beautiful residence in which he now lives, which stands as an eloquent testimony
of the thrift and industry of its occupants. The house has nine rooms with every convenience, including hot and cold
water, up and downstairs, electric lights and all that could make living conditions pleasant.
Twenty-four years ago Mr. Schwald married Miss Kronenberg, one of the most desirable young ladies of Walla Walla.
This union has been blessed with six children, two boys and four girls.
Certainly this valley is fortunate in having a man of the sterling character, and business ability of Charles Schwald.
Diane Biggs, Frazier Farmstead Museum Director

Database: Washington Death Index, 1940-1996
January 1, 2004
8:36 PM

Name: Charles F. Schwald
Place of Death: Walla Walla
Date of Death: 24 Aug 1942
Age: 79 years, 1 month & 7 days
Gender: M
Certificate: 237
Died @ St. Mary's Hospital
Normally resided at RFD #1 in Freewater, Oregon

Source Information:
Copy of certified Death Certificate, Ancestry.com., Washington Death Index, 1940-96 [database online]. Provo,
UT: Ancestry.com, 2002. Original data: Index created by: Washington State Department of Health. Microfilmed copy of
index obtained from: Washington State Archives.

http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/wallawalla/mtview/mtview%5Fsase.htm
Mountain View Cemetery Walla Walla, Washington
Mtn. View Cem. Walla Walla, Washington
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1863, d. 1942 Aug 24, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1896, d. 1963 May 18, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Frances H., b. 1898, d. 1920, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Helen F., b. 1895, d. 1896, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Margaret, b. 1862, d. 1926, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Patrick John, b. 1900, d. 1981, Catholic Sec
Schwald, William, b. 1889, d. 1905, Catholic Sec

Charles — KRONENBERG, Margaret. Margaret (daughter of UNKNOWN and UNKNOWN) was born 22 Feb 1862, Heerdt, Germany; died 1926, Walla Walla, Walla Walla, Washington; was buried , Mountain View Cemetery, Walla Walla, Walla Walla, Washington. [Group Sheet]

Charles — OLIVER, Birdie. Birdie died UNKNOWN. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Birth:
BIRTH DATE DISCREPANCY:
- 30 Dec 1840; Burial record (ancestry.com)

Johann married ROSER, Maria Barbara 9 Jul 1867, Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Maria (daughter of UNKNOWN, Unknown and ROSER, Anna Katharina) was born 19 Apr 1844, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany; was christened 19 Apr 1844, Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany; died 16 Jul 1896, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany; was buried 18 Jul 1896, Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Maria married FORSTHUBER, Johannes 28 Mar 1867, Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Johannes (son of FORSTHUBER, Johann and WEISS, Catharina "Katharina" Barbara) was born 1 Nov 1841, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany; died 13 May 1917. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: Weber (Weaver)

Notes:

Died:
DEATH DATE:
- Died AFTER 2nd marriage - dated 13 May 1902

Johannes married KROPF, Anna Maria 7 May 1872, Sitzenkirch, Kandern, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany. Anna (daughter of KROPF, Friedrich "Fridolin" and ADOLF, Maria Barbara (Adolph)) was born 30 Dec 1846, Sitzenkirch, Kandern, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany; died 25 Aug 1890, Sitzenkirch, Kandern, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany; was buried 27 Aug 1890, Kandern, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Johannes married RAHM, Elisabeth 13 May 1902, Kandern, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Elisabeth (daughter of RAHM, Jeremias and WERNLE, Barbara) was born 2 Nov 1867, Basel, Switzerland. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Birth:
BIRTHPLACE DISCREPANCY:
- Haagen, German; Marr. record (familysearch.org)

Anna married Living [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Also Known As: Johann Frederick
• Immigration: 20 Jun 1884, Bremen to New York

Johann married WECHLIN, Luise Karolina 30 Mar 1876, Haagen, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Luise was born Between 11 May and 5 Nov 1854, Haagen, Loerrach, Baden, Germany; died 14 Sep 1933, Syracuse, Onondaga, New York. [Group Sheet]

Johann married Living [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Also Known As: Mary
• Immigration: 1882, USA
• Census: 4 Jun 1900, Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania; w/husband & children
• Census: 1 Jun 1905, West Seneca, Erie, New York; widowed, w/children & boarder
• Census: 25 Jun 1910, Lackawanna, Erie, New York; widowed, w/children
• Census: 1 Jun 1915, Lackawanna, Erie, New York; widowed, w/children

Notes:

Name:
NAME VARIATIONS:
- Mary KIEFER; 1900 Census
- Mary K. Kiefer; 1910 Census

Buried:
BURIAL:
Buffalo Cemetery
Cheektowaga, Erie, New York

Maria married KIEFER, Jakob Frederich "Fred" 2 Jun 1881, Haagen, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Jakob (son of KIEFER, Michael and SCHWEINLIN, Verena) was born 16 Aug 1847, Luetschenbach, Germany; was christened 29 Aug 1847, Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany; died 3 Jan 1904, Lackawanna, Erie, New York; was buried Abt. 5 Jan 1904, Buffalo Cemetery, Cheektowaga, Erie, New York. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Buried:
ALTERNATIVE BURIAL PLACE:
- Schliengen, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, German (ancestry.com)

Other Events:

• Immigration: 25 Aug 1880, New York, New York; Philippe Schwold
• City Directory: 1889-1891, Utica, Oneida, New York; Name - Occupation - Address - City, State - Year Philip Swald - laborer - 85 Warren - Utica, New York - 1889 Philip Swald - laborer - 85 Warren - Utica, New York - 1890 Philip Swald - laborer - 85 Warren - Utica, New York - 1891
• Census: 16 Jun 1900, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife & children
• Census: 19-20 Apr 1910, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife & children
• Census: 1 Jun 1915, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife, children, s-i-l & granddaughters
• Census: 12 Jan 1920, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife & daughter
• Census: 9 Apr 1930, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/wife

Notes:

Died:
DEATH & BURIAL - Oneida Co. GENWEB - http://oneida.nygenweb.net/cemeteries/utica/newforests.txt
New Forest Cemetery List:
NAME - PARENTS - Funeral Director - Marital Status - DOB - DOD - BURIAL DATE - BOOK#/PAGE# - PLOT#/LOT#/GRAVE#
Swald Philip - _ - J. Langdon - M - 11/14/1861 - 06/20/1934 - 06/23/1934 - 4/132 - 10/1347/2

Ernst married WUNDERLE, Katherine "Kate" 1884, New York. Katherine (daughter of WUNDERLE, Donat and ACKERMANN, Christine) was born 26 Aug 1862, Germany; died 24 Mar 1940, Utica, Oneida, New York; was buried 27 Mar 1940, New Forest Cemetery, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Immigration: 01 Oct 1888, Port of New York, New York, New York; Ernst Schwald
• Naturalization: 06 Oct 1894, Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania; Declaration of Intention to become a U.S. Citizen
• Naturalization: 9 Jul 1897, Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania; Finalization of Naturalized Citizenship
• Census: 01 Jun 1900, Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania; w/wife, renting from J.H. Jacobson household
• Census: 01 Jun 1905, West Seneca, Erie, New York; w/wife and 3 male boarders

Notes:

Buried:
BURIAL PLACE:
- Lakeside; Death Certificate

Ernst married KEUSEN, Anna "Annie" Elizabeth 23 Apr 1898, Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Anna (daughter of KEUSEN, John and UKNOWN, Ann Elizabeth) was born Feb 1869, Switzerland. [Group Sheet]

Francois-Joseph — . Unknown [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: Foerster, Wegebauer

Notes:

Occupation: Foerster, Wegebauer


Per David Gudeman Notes:
born out of Wedlock. Born in Feb 1861... Original name was Gustav Homberger :
parents married Nov 1861

#4 Generation: Gustav Schwald (born as Gustav Homberger) was born in Wies on February 15, 1861, to Maria Barbara Homberger, a single woman. Gustav married Carolina Spohn in Wies on May 21, 1885. They had a son, Wilhelm, born in Wies on January 7, 1887. Carolina was born in Wies on October 3, 1860, to Wilhelm Spohn and Maria Katharina Graesslin.

Gustav married SPOHN, Carolina "Caroline" 21 May 1885, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. Carolina (daughter of SPOHN, Wilhelm and GRAESSLIN, Maria Katharina) was born 3 Oct 1860, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

[cfschwaldOR.FTW]

Not sure if same person????
Database: Social Security Death Index
January 2, 2004
10:52 AM
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Name Birth Date Death Date Last Residence
(City,County,State) Issued SSN

WILLIAM SCHWALD 23 Sep 1885 Oct 1966 Syracuse, Onondaga, NY NY (Before 1951 ) 105-01-6411
WILLIAM SCHWALD 5 Apr 1906 Feb 1973 Syracuse, Onondaga, NY NY (Before 1951 ) 134-12-8422

Source Information:
Social Security Administration. Social Security Death Index, Master File. Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 2000.

http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/wallawalla/mtview/mtview%5Fsase.htm
Mountain View Cemetery Walla Walla, Washington
Mtn. View Cem. Walla Walla, Washington
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1863, d. 1942 Aug 24, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1896, d. 1963 May 18, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Frances H., b. 1898, d. 1920, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Helen F., b. 1895, d. 1896, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Margaret, b. 1862, d. 1926, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Patrick John, b. 1900, d. 1981, Catholic Sec
Schwald, William, b. 1889, d. 1905, Catholic Sec

Other Events:

• Also Known As: Annie

Notes:

[cfschwaldOR.FTW]

Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information
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Case# 1958
Name Mc Allister, Anna Catharine Schwald
Date 08-05-1891
Record Type Delayed Birth
County Umatilla
Source Health
Parents
Identifier
Remarks


Name Birth Death Last Residence Last Benefit SSN Issued
ANNA MCALLISTER 05 Aug 1891, Nov 1970, 99362 (Walla Walla, Walla Walla, WA), (none specified), 535-24-8237, Washington

Anna — MCALLISTER, James. James was born Abt 1886, Washington; died UNKNOWN. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

[cfschwaldOR.FTW]

Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information
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Case# 1311/49819
Name Duff, Minnie Schwald
Date 11-16-1893
Record Type Delayed Birth
County Umatilla
Source Health
Parents
Identifier
Remarks




MINNIE DUFF 16 Nov 1893 Mar 1985 97862 (Milton Freewater, Umatilla, OR) (none specified) 540-03-6882 Oregon

Minnie — DUFF, Alexander F.. Alexander died UNKNOWN. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/wallawalla/mtview/mtview%5Fsase.htm
Mountain View Cemetery Walla Walla, Washington
Mtn. View Cem. Walla Walla, Washington
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1863, d. 1942 Aug 24, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1896, d. 1963 May 18, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Frances H., b. 1898, d. 1920, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Helen F., b. 1895, d. 1896, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Margaret, b. 1862, d. 1926, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Patrick John, b. 1900, d. 1981, Catholic Sec
Schwald, William, b. 1889, d. 1905, Catholic Sec

Notes:

[cfschwaldOR.FTW]
http://genealogy.state.or.us/start.lasso?location=detail&id=345841
Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information
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Case# 1431
Name Schwald, Charles Fred
Date 07-17-1896
Record Type Delayed Birth
County Umatilla
Source Health

Database: Social Security Death Index
January 2, 2004
3:20 PM
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Name: CHARLES SCHWALD
SSN: 326-05-7927
Last Residence: Oregon
Born: 17 Jul 1896
Last Benefit:
Died: May 1963
State (Year) SSN issued: IL (Before 1951 )

Source Information:
Social Security Administration. Social Security Death Index, Master File. Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 2000.
Mountain View Cemetery Walla Walla, Washington
Mtn. View Cem. Walla Walla, Washington
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1863, d. 1942 Aug 24, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1896, d. 1963 May 18, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Frances H., b. 1898, d. 1920, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Helen F., b. 1895, d. 1896, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Margaret, b. 1862, d. 1926, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Patrick John, b. 1900, d. 1981, Catholic Sec
Schwald, William, b. 1889, d. 1905, Catholic Sec

Charles married ANITA Private. was born Private. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

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Database: Oregon Death Index, 1903-98
January 1, 2004
4:54 PM
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Name: Schwald, Frances
County: Umatilla
Death Date: 28 Jul 1920
Certificate: 203

http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/wallawalla/mtview/mtview%5Fsase.htm
Mountain View Cemetery Walla Walla, Washington
Mtn. View Cem. Walla Walla, Washington
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1863, d. 1942 Aug 24, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1896, d. 1963 May 18, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Frances H., b. 1898, d. 1920, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Helen F., b. 1895, d. 1896, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Margaret, b. 1862, d. 1926, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Patrick John, b. 1900, d. 1981, Catholic Sec
Schwald, William, b. 1889, d. 1905, Catholic Sec

Notes:

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JOHN E SCHWALD 28 May 1900 16 Oct 1990 (V) 08029 (Glendora, Camden, NJ) (none specified) 153-01-5112 New Jersey

Notes:

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ancestry.com
Washington Death Index, 1940-1996
January 1, 2004
8:43 PM
Name: Patrick J Schwald
Place of Death: Walla Walla
Date of Death: 18 Apr 1981
Age: 81 years
Gender: M
SSN: 532-12-9112
Certificate: 012626

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Washington Death Index, 1940-96 [database online]. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2002. Original data: Index created by: Washington State Department of Health. Microfilmed copy of index obtained from: Washington State Archives

Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 South Whidbey Record South Whidbey WA
Kenny Brown, 70, of Greenbank, died July 10, 2003, at his home.
He was born June 18, 1933. He graduated from Bothell High School, and was a communications sergeant in the Army paratroops. After 11 years in the Army, he moved to Long Beach, Calif., where he became fleet manager for several large truck dealers.
He moved to Whidbey Island in 1985.
His birth parents are unknown, however he was luckier than most and picked his own family: Pat and Catherine Schwald, who preceded him in death, and Tosh and Yaeko Funai of Woodinville, Dr. William Morton, Diane, Dwight and Harvey Funai, Spike Schwald, Nancy Demello and Scott Schwald.
A service will be held at 1 p.m. Friday at Trinity Lutheran Church, Freeland.
Memorials may be made to the Health Hospice, Whidbey General Hospital, 101 N. Main St., Coupeville, WA 98239.

http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/wallawalla/mtview/mtview%5Fsase.htm
Mountain View Cemetery Walla Walla, Washington
Mtn. View Cem. Walla Walla, Washington
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1863, d. 1942 Aug 24, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Charles F., b. Jul 17, 1896, d. 1963 May 18, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Frances H., b. 1898, d. 1920, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Helen F., b. 1895, d. 1896, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Margaret, b. 1862, d. 1926, Catholic Sec
Schwald, Patrick John, b. 1900, d. 1981, Catholic Sec
Schwald, William, b. 1889, d. 1905, Catholic Sec

Patrick married Living [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Also Known As: Elsie

Notes:

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Taken From: http://www.museum.bmi.net/STEPS%20PEOPLE/Schwald%20Chas.htm

Elizabeth "Elsie" Phillips, 90, formerly of Milton-Freewater, died July 4, 1995 at the Park Manor Convalescent Center in Walla Walla.
At her request, there will be no funeral services.
Memorial contributions may be made to the Salvation Army through Munselle-Rhodes Funeral Home,
902S. Main St., Milton-Freewater, OR 97862.

Mrs. Phillips was born Dec. 28, 1904 on Appleton Rd., near Winesap Rd.,
near Milton-Freewater to Charles and Margaret Kronenburg Schwald.
She attended Ferndale Grade School and high school at St. Vincent's Academy in Walla Walla.
She then attended Whitman Conservatory of Music for a year, studying piano and pipe organ.
Mrs. Phillips played organ at the old Strand Theatre, later the Roxy Theatre in Walla Walla for the Sterling Theatres of Seattle, WA.
She played piano in a traveling dance band for many years and nighclubs in Kansas City, MO and Wenatchee, WA.
In 1935 she played the piano in the dance band for the Walkathon held in the Community Building in Milton-Freewater.

On May 4, 1939 she married Grady A. Phillips in Wenatchee. The couple homesteaded in Anchorage, Alaska in 1940.
Mrs. Phillips worked later for General Electric in Richland, WA in 1948 and 1949.
The couple returned to the Milton-Freewater area in 1959 and lived on Crockett Rd. for many years where she was noted for her beautiful flowers.

Mrs. Phillips is survived by two nieces, Margaret Duff Thompson of Pendleton and Frances Dill of Walla Walla; and several nephews.
She was preceded in death by her husband on Oct. 17, 1983; two sisters Minnie Duff and Annie McAllister; and two brothers, Pat Schwald and Charles Schwald.

Elizabeth married PHILLIPS, Grady A. 4 May 1939, Wenatchee, Chelan, Washington. Grady died 17 Oct 1983. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

2. Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 441

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Notes:

From: dgudeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:33 PM

Maria Barbara Schwald (1844) had an illegitimate daughter named Maria Barbara on January 19, 1864, in Kaltenbach.
She had a second illegitimate daughter in Kaltenbach on March 27, 1866, named Ernstina. On July 8, 1866, Johannes Forsthuber of Kaltenbach acknowledged that he was the father of Ernstina (inexplicity, shown as Verena Ernstina).
We can make the reasonable assumption that he was the father also of Maria Barbara (1864).
Johannes Forsthuber and his brother Johann Jacob exchanged favors. Each was a Godfather to illegitimate children fathered by the other. Johann Jacob later married Maria Katharina Lais of Kaltenbach, the mother of his illegitimate child.
On March 28, 1867, Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Barbara Schwald in Kaltenbach. They went on to have five more children, all born in Kaltenbach.
1. Albert--April 3, 1870 (Maria Katharina (Lais) Forsthuber was a Godmother.)
2. Ernst Friedrich--May 8, 1871 ( Jacob Friedrich Forsthuber and Johann Georg Forsthuber, two other brothers, were Godfathers.)
3. Emma--December 3, 1872 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
4. Albert Friedrich--May, 30, 1875 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
5. Anna Maria--May 26, 1877 (Johann Jacob Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
Maria Barbara (1844) died sometime after the birth of her last child; and Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Katharina Renk of
Kaltenbach (she was 16 years younger) on April 24, 1884.
Ernstina (1866) married Alexander Boetsch of Griesheim on February 24, 1887, in Kaltenbach.
Johannes Forsthuber and Maria Katharina Renk had a daughter named Sopfia in Kaltenbach.

Notes:

From: dgudeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:33 PM

Maria Barbara Schwald (1844) had an illegitimate daughter named Maria Barbara on January 19, 1864, in Kaltenbach.
She had a second illegitimate daughter in Kaltenbach on March 27, 1866, named Ernstina. On July 8, 1866, Johannes Forsthuber of Kaltenbach acknowledged that he was the father of Ernstina (inexplicity, shown as Verena Ernstina).
We can make the reasonable assumption that he was the father also of Maria Barbara (1864).
Johannes Forsthuber and his brother Johann Jacob exchanged favors. Each was a Godfather to illegitimate children fathered by the other. Johann Jacob later married Maria Katharina Lais of Kaltenbach, the mother of his illegitimate child.
On March 28, 1867, Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Barbara Schwald in Kaltenbach. They went on to have five more children, all born in Kaltenbach.
1. Albert--April 3, 1870 (Maria Katharina (Lais) Forsthuber was a Godmother.)
2. Ernst Friedrich--May 8, 1871 ( Jacob Friedrich Forsthuber and Johann Georg Forsthuber, two other brothers, were Godfathers.)
3. Emma--December 3, 1872 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
4. Albert Friedrich--May, 30, 1875 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
5. Anna Maria--May 26, 1877 (Johann Jacob Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
Maria Barbara (1844) died sometime after the birth of her last child; and Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Katharina Renk of
Kaltenbach (she was 16 years younger) on April 24, 1884.
Ernstina (1866) married Alexander Boetsch of Griesheim on February 24, 1887, in Kaltenbach.
Johannes Forsthuber and Maria Katharina Renk had a daughter named Sopfia in Kaltenbach.

Have Copy of Original Marriage Record from Kaltenbach...from David Gudeman

Ernestine married BOETSCH, Alexander 24 Feb 1887, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany. Alexander was born 27 Dec 1860, Griesheim, Germany. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

1. Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg.122

2. From: dgudeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:33 PM

Maria Barbara Schwald (1844) had an illegitimate daughter named Maria Barbara on January 19, 1864, in Kaltenbach.
She had a second illegitimate daughter in Kaltenbach on March 27, 1866, named Ernstina. On July 8, 1866, Johannes Forsthuber of Kaltenbach acknowledged that he was the father of Ernstina (inexplicity, shown as Verena Ernstina).
We can make the reasonable assumption that he was the father also of Maria Barbara (1864).
Johannes Forsthuber and his brother Johann Jacob exchanged favors. Each was a Godfather to illegitimate children fathered by the other. Johann Jacob later married Maria Katharina Lais of Kaltenbach, the mother of his illegitimate child.
On March 28, 1867, Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Barbara Schwald in Kaltenbach. They went on to have five more children, all born in Kaltenbach.
1. Albert--April 3, 1870 (Maria Katharina (Lais) Forsthuber was a Godmother.)
2. Ernst Friedrich--May 8, 1871 ( Jacob Friedrich Forsthuber and Johann Georg Forsthuber, two other brothers, were Godfathers.)
3. Emma--December 3, 1872 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
4. Albert Friedrich--May, 30, 1875 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
5. Anna Maria--May 26, 1877 (Johann Jacob Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
Maria Barbara (1844) died sometime after the birth of her last child; and Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Katharina Renk of
Kaltenbach (she was 16 years younger) on April 24, 1884.
Ernstina (1866) married Alexander Boetsch of Griesheim on February 24, 1887, in Kaltenbach.
Johannes Forsthuber and Maria Katharina Renk had a daughter named Sopfia in Kaltenbach.

3. familysearch.org
Sophia
Christening: 22 MAR 1868 Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden
Father: Johannes Forsthuber Family
Mother: Maria Barbara Schwald

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Typ
C320532 1574 - 1611 1189427 Film NONE
C320532 1622 - 1748 1189427 IT 1-10 Film NONE
C320532 1870 - 1908 1189427 IT 1-10 Film NONE
C320532 1953 - 1962 1189427 IT 1-10 Film NONE

Birth:
Born between 7 - 22, MAR 1868

Sophia — Living. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

1. Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB

2. From: dgudeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:33 PM

Maria Barbara Schwald (1844) had an illegitimate daughter named Maria Barbara on January 19, 1864, in Kaltenbach.
She had a second illegitimate daughter in Kaltenbach on March 27, 1866, named Ernstina. On July 8, 1866, Johannes Forsthuber of Kaltenbach acknowledged that he was the father of Ernstina (inexplicity, shown as Verena Ernstina).
We can make the reasonable assumption that he was the father also of Maria Barbara (1864).
Johannes Forsthuber and his brother Johann Jacob exchanged favors. Each was a Godfather to illegitimate children fathered by the other. Johann Jacob later married Maria Katharina Lais of Kaltenbach, the mother of his illegitimate child.
On March 28, 1867, Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Barbara Schwald in Kaltenbach. They went on to have five more children, all born in Kaltenbach.
1. Albert--April 3, 1870 (Maria Katharina (Lais) Forsthuber was a Godmother.)
2. Ernst Friedrich--May 8, 1871 ( Jacob Friedrich Forsthuber and Johann Georg Forsthuber, two other brothers, were Godfathers.)
3. Emma--December 3, 1872 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
4. Albert Friedrich--May, 30, 1875 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
5. Anna Maria--May 26, 1877 (Johann Jacob Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
Maria Barbara (1844) died sometime after the birth of her last child; and Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Katharina Renk of
Kaltenbach (she was 16 years younger) on April 24, 1884.
Ernstina (1866) married Alexander Boetsch of Griesheim on February 24, 1887, in Kaltenbach.
Johannes Forsthuber and Maria Katharina Renk had a daughter named Sopfia in Kaltenbach.

Notes:

1. Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB

Ernst married Living [Group Sheet]

Notes:

1. Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB

2. From: dgudeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:33 PM

Maria Barbara Schwald (1844) had an illegitimate daughter named Maria Barbara on January 19, 1864, in Kaltenbach.
She had a second illegitimate daughter in Kaltenbach on March 27, 1866, named Ernstina. On July 8, 1866, Johannes Forsthuber of Kaltenbach acknowledged that he was the father of Ernstina (inexplicity, shown as Verena Ernstina).
We can make the reasonable assumption that he was the father also of Maria Barbara (1864).
Johannes Forsthuber and his brother Johann Jacob exchanged favors. Each was a Godfather to illegitimate children fathered by the other. Johann Jacob later married Maria Katharina Lais of Kaltenbach, the mother of his illegitimate child.
On March 28, 1867, Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Barbara Schwald in Kaltenbach. They went on to have five more children, all born in Kaltenbach.
1. Albert--April 3, 1870 (Maria Katharina (Lais) Forsthuber was a Godmother.)
2. Ernst Friedrich--May 8, 1871 ( Jacob Friedrich Forsthuber and Johann Georg Forsthuber, two other brothers, were Godfathers.)
3. Emma--December 3, 1872 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
4. Albert Friedrich--May, 30, 1875 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
5. Anna Maria--May 26, 1877 (Johann Jacob Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
Maria Barbara (1844) died sometime after the birth of her last child; and Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Katharina Renk of
Kaltenbach (she was 16 years younger) on April 24, 1884.
Ernstina (1866) married Alexander Boetsch of Griesheim on February 24, 1887, in Kaltenbach.
Johannes Forsthuber and Maria Katharina Renk had a daughter named Sopfia in Kaltenbach.

Notes:

1. Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB

2. From: dgudeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:33 PM

Maria Barbara Schwald (1844) had an illegitimate daughter named Maria Barbara on January 19, 1864, in Kaltenbach.
She had a second illegitimate daughter in Kaltenbach on March 27, 1866, named Ernstina. On July 8, 1866, Johannes Forsthuber of Kaltenbach acknowledged that he was the father of Ernstina (inexplicity, shown as Verena Ernstina).
We can make the reasonable assumption that he was the father also of Maria Barbara (1864).
Johannes Forsthuber and his brother Johann Jacob exchanged favors. Each was a Godfather to illegitimate children fathered by the other. Johann Jacob later married Maria Katharina Lais of Kaltenbach, the mother of his illegitimate child.
On March 28, 1867, Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Barbara Schwald in Kaltenbach. They went on to have five more children, all born in Kaltenbach.
1. Albert--April 3, 1870 (Maria Katharina (Lais) Forsthuber was a Godmother.)
2. Ernst Friedrich--May 8, 1871 ( Jacob Friedrich Forsthuber and Johann Georg Forsthuber, two other brothers, were Godfathers.)
3. Emma--December 3, 1872 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
4. Albert Friedrich--May, 30, 1875 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
5. Anna Maria--May 26, 1877 (Johann Jacob Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
Maria Barbara (1844) died sometime after the birth of her last child; and Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Katharina Renk of
Kaltenbach (she was 16 years younger) on April 24, 1884.
Ernstina (1866) married Alexander Boetsch of Griesheim on February 24, 1887, in Kaltenbach.
Johannes Forsthuber and Maria Katharina Renk had a daughter named Sopfia in Kaltenbach.

Notes:

1. Per Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB

2. From: dgudeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:33 PM

Maria Barbara Schwald (1844) had an illegitimate daughter named Maria Barbara on January 19, 1864, in Kaltenbach.
She had a second illegitimate daughter in Kaltenbach on March 27, 1866, named Ernstina. On July 8, 1866, Johannes Forsthuber of Kaltenbach acknowledged that he was the father of Ernstina (inexplicity, shown as Verena Ernstina).
We can make the reasonable assumption that he was the father also of Maria Barbara (1864).
Johannes Forsthuber and his brother Johann Jacob exchanged favors. Each was a Godfather to illegitimate children fathered by the other. Johann Jacob later married Maria Katharina Lais of Kaltenbach, the mother of his illegitimate child.
On March 28, 1867, Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Barbara Schwald in Kaltenbach. They went on to have five more children, all born in Kaltenbach.
1. Albert--April 3, 1870 (Maria Katharina (Lais) Forsthuber was a Godmother.)
2. Ernst Friedrich--May 8, 1871 ( Jacob Friedrich Forsthuber and Johann Georg Forsthuber, two other brothers, were Godfathers.)
3. Emma--December 3, 1872 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
4. Albert Friedrich--May, 30, 1875 (Johann Georg Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
5. Anna Maria--May 26, 1877 (Johann Jacob Forsthuber was a Godfather.)
Maria Barbara (1844) died sometime after the birth of her last child; and Johannes Forsthuber married Maria Katharina Renk of
Kaltenbach (she was 16 years younger) on April 24, 1884.
Ernstina (1866) married Alexander Boetsch of Griesheim on February 24, 1887, in Kaltenbach.
Johannes Forsthuber and Maria Katharina Renk had a daughter named Sopfia in Kaltenbach.

Notes:

Have Copy of Original Death Record from Sitzenkirch...from David Gudeman

Notes:

Have Copy of Original Death Record from Sitzenkirch...from David Gudeman

Other Events:

• Immigration: 12 Sep 1896, Ellis Island, New York, New York; IMMIGRATION: From Le Havre, France to Ellis Island Immigration Center, NY,NY On ship La Touraine: Fritz Schwold - 22 yrs ellisisland.com
• Census: 5 Jun 1900, Seattle, King, Washington; GARDENER; w/wife & children, next door to sisters-in-law & their families
• Census: 25 Apr 1910, Seattle, King, Washington; GARDENER; w/wife, children & boarder (who worked in grocery store w/Lizzie)
• Military: 12 Sep 1918, Seattle, King, Washington; WWI DRAFT REGISTRATION: Fred Schwald - 44 yrs
• City Directory: 1897-1919, Seattle, King, Washington; Seattle City Directory 1897 Fritz Schwald 23 Seattle, Washington Baker at W.L. Halbe Co. 1899 Frederick Schwald 322 3rd Ave N., Seattle, Washington Baker 1900 Frederick Schwald 322 3rd Ave N., Seattle, Washington Gardener 1901 Fred J. Schwald 322 3rd Ave N., Seattle, Washington Baker 1902 Fred J. Schwald 407 7th Ave. N. expressman 1903 Fred Schwald 407 7th Ave. N. expressman 1904 Fred Schwald 407 7th Ave. N. expressman 1905 Fred Schwald 6950 Woodlawn, N.(House)gardener 1906 Fred Schwald 6950 Woodlawn, N.(House)gardener 1907 Fred Schwald 6950 Woodlawn, N.(House)gardener 1908 Fred Schwald 6950 Woodlawn, N.(House)gardener 1909 Fred Schwald 6950 Woodlawn, N.(House)gardener 1910 Fred Schwald 6950 Woodlawn, N.(House)grocer 1911 Fred Schwald 6950 Woodlawn, N.(House)grocer Fred Schwald & Co 1912 Fred Schwald 6950 Woodlawn, N.(House)grocer Fred Schwald & Co 1913 Fred Schwald 6950 Woodlawn, N.(House)grocer Fred Schwald & Co 1914 Fred Schwald 6950 Woodlawn, N. (House)grocer Fred Schwald & Co 1915 Fred Schwald 8519 5th Ave. NE (House)dairy 1916 Fred Schwald 8519 5th Ave. NE (House)dairy 1917 Fred Schwald 8519 5th Ave. NE (House)dairy 1918 Fred Schwald 8519 5th Ave. NE (House)janitor 1919 Fred Schwald 8519 5th Ave. NE (House)driver
• Census: 2 Feb 1920, Seattle, King, Washington; DELIVERY TEAMSTER; w/wife & children
• Census: 9 Apr 1930, Seattle, King, Washington; CLOTHING CO. BOXMAKER; w/wife, sons, granddaughter and grandson
• Naturalization: 9 Nov 1936, Seattle, King, Washington; Filed Declaration of Intention in 1933 Naturalized in 1936
• Census: 10 Apr 1940, Seattle, King, Washington; OVERALL MFG. CO. PACKER; w/2nd wife & son

Notes:

Birth:
TIME OF BIRTH: 7 A.M.
BIRTH DATE DISCREPANCY:
- 2 Jul 1974 (Baptism & Death Certificates)
- 4 Jul 1874 (WWI Draft Registration)

Johann married GYGER, Elisa "Lizzie" 6 Jan1898, Seattle, King, Washington. Elisa (daughter of GYGER, David and LEUTHOLD, Katherine (Katharina)) was born 16 Apr 1868, Bern, Switzerland; died 10 Oct 1937, Seattle, King, Washington; was buried 12 Oct 1937, Mount Pleasant Cemetery, Queen Anne, King, Seattle, Washington. [Group Sheet]

Johann married KNUTSON, Ida 16 Apr 1838, Seattle, King, Washington. Ida was born 16 Apr 1875, Norway; died 19 May 1947, Seattle, King, Washington; was buried Abt. 21 May 1947, Riverton Crest Cemetery Tukwila, King, Washington. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

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FRIEDA
Female
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 JAN 1878 Evangelisch, Roetteln, Loerrach, Baden
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Parents:
Father: FRIEDRICH RYSER Family
Mother: ANNA MARIA SCHWALD
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Typ

C934883 1679 - 1739 1189326 Film NONE

C934883 1870 - 1875 1189326 Film NONE

Notes:

From: "Roderick Schwald"
To: Janet
Subject: FW: Antwort: Familie Schwald aus Haagen
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:03:26 +0100

-----Original Message-----
From: Christof Schwald
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:56 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Subject: Fw: Antwort: Familie Schwald aus Haagen

Hallo Roderick,
ich habe Neues von Luise Schwald!
Sie wohnte in Haagen in der Hauptstra?e 59. Ich werde morgen mal nachsehen,
ob das Haus noch steht. Ich fahre da jeden Tag in der N?he vorbei.
Gru? von Christof

----- Original Message -----
From: Werner Meier
To: "Christof Schwald"
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:21 AM
Subject: Antwort: Familie Schwald aus Haagen

Hallo Christof,

heute fr?h hatte ich endlich etwas Zeit um mich um deine Anfrage wegen der
Stammbaumfrage zu k?mmern.

Ich habe dabei folgendes feststellen k?nnen:
Luise Karolina Schwald wurde am 18.11.1881 in Haagen geboren. Die Eltern
Johann Friedrich Schwald und Luise, gelegentlich auch Louise Carolina
geschrieben, wohnten in Haagen, Hauptstr. 59. Diese hatten am 30.03.1876 in
Haagen geheiratet. Johann Friedrich Schwald wurde am 22.05.1852 in
Kaltenbach geboren, Luise Karolina Wechlin am 11.05.1854 in Haagen.

Das Ehepaar hatte noch zwei weitere Kinder

a. Emil Schwald, geb. am 27.10.1876 in Haagen

b. Johann Friedrich Schwald, geb. am 22.12.1877 in Haagen. Dieser verstarb
am 07.04.1935 in M?nchen. Die Eintragungsnummer dieser Sterbefallbeurkundung
lautet Standesamt M?nchen II Nr. 698/1935.
Bei diesem Sterbebucheintrag kann auch festgestellt werden, welchen
Familienstand Johann Friedrich Schwald hatte, ggf. mit wem er verheiratet
war und Kinder hatte.

Die hier vorhandenen Eintr?ge kannst Du selbstverst?ndlich bei mir gerne
einsehen und Kopien davon fertigen. Es w?re f?r Euren Stammbaum sicherlich
interessant.

Herzliche Gr??e
Werner

Notes:

From: "Roderick Schwald"
To: Janet
Subject: FW: Antwort: Familie Schwald aus Haagen
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:03:26 +0100

-----Original Message-----
From: Christof Schwald
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:56 PM
To: Roderick Schwald
Subject: Fw: Antwort: Familie Schwald aus Haagen

Hallo Roderick,
ich habe Neues von Luise Schwald!
Sie wohnte in Haagen in der Hauptstra?e 59. Ich werde morgen mal nachsehen,
ob das Haus noch steht. Ich fahre da jeden Tag in der N?he vorbei.
Gru? von Christof

----- Original Message -----
From: Werner Meier
To: "Christof Schwald"
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:21 AM
Subject: Antwort: Familie Schwald aus Haagen

Hallo Christof,

heute fr?h hatte ich endlich etwas Zeit um mich um deine Anfrage wegen der
Stammbaumfrage zu k?mmern.

Ich habe dabei folgendes feststellen k?nnen:
Luise Karolina Schwald wurde am 18.11.1881 in Haagen geboren. Die Eltern
Johann Friedrich Schwald und Luise, gelegentlich auch Louise Carolina
geschrieben, wohnten in Haagen, Hauptstr. 59. Diese hatten am 30.03.1876 in
Haagen geheiratet. Johann Friedrich Schwald wurde am 22.05.1852 in
Kaltenbach geboren, Luise Karolina Wechlin am 11.05.1854 in Haagen.

Das Ehepaar hatte noch zwei weitere Kinder

a. Emil Schwald, geb. am 27.10.1876 in Haagen

b. Johann Friedrich Schwald, geb. am 22.12.1877 in Haagen. Dieser verstarb
am 07.04.1935 in M?nchen. Die Eintragungsnummer dieser Sterbefallbeurkundung
lautet Standesamt M?nchen II Nr. 698/1935.
Bei diesem Sterbebucheintrag kann auch festgestellt werden, welchen
Familienstand Johann Friedrich Schwald hatte, ggf. mit wem er verheiratet
war und Kinder hatte.

Die hier vorhandenen Eintr?ge kannst Du selbstverst?ndlich bei mir gerne
einsehen und Kopien davon fertigen. Es w?re f?r Euren Stammbaum sicherlich
interessant.

Herzliche Gr??e
Werner

Notes:

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MARIA LUISE
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 DEC 1878 Evangelisch, Roetteln, Loerrach, Bad

Death: 09 SEP 1879

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHANN FRIEDRICH SCHWALD Family
Mother: LUISE KAROLINA WECHLIN


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Typ

C934883 1679 - 1739 1189326 Film NONE

C934883 1870 - 1875 1189326 Film NONE

Notes:

1920 U.S. Census - New York
Albert (Alfred) Keifer (Kiefer)
http://www.ancestry.com/search/io/browse.asp?c=3&state=New+York&county=Erie&township=Lackawanna+City&ed=308&roll=T625_1110&STAbrv=New York&startimg=908&endimg=994&rp=933&hash=2076690753&width=2661&height=1885&levels=5&colorspace=Grayscale
1920 13-14 January, 19120 U.S. Census ? New York ? Erie ? Lackawanna City ? ED# 308 Lackawanna; Ward 2, Bounded by: Buffalo city line, Lake Shore R.R., Kirby Ave., South Park Ave.
Page 26 of 87, Line# 69

Living 191 cherry Street owned house, w/Emma, Paul age 6, Arthur age 4, Raymond age 3, Mildred age 1

Alfred married LENGLER, Emma 10 Jan 1912, Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Emma (daughter of LENGLER, Charles August and KULLMAN, Katherine) was born 6 Jul 1883, Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania; died 19 Jun 1957, Lackawanna, Erie, New York; was buried 22 Jun 1957, Lakeside Cemetery, Hamburg, Erie, New York. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

1920 U.S. Census ? New York ? Erie ? Buffalo City ? ED# 53 District 53 Buffalo; Ward 5 (part of), Election District 12, Bounded by: Sheffield Ave., McKinley Parkway, Woodside Ave., Potters Road, City line, City line, South Park Ave.
Harry E. Kiefer, son of Fred and Mary
Page 20 of 45, linev52
Living with Sister Lizzie (Elizabeth) Kiefer Moll married to Edward Moll
141 woodside Ave

Per Mark Stacy:

(my wife wears the diamond ring that "Aunt Elizabeth" gave to my
mother that used to be hers - they had no children. she is a dear wom
knew her briefly before she died)

SSDI
ELIZABETH MOLL 11 Oct 1886 Oct 1975 14220 (Buffalo, Erie, New York) (none specified) 130-52-2127 New York

Elizabeth married MOLL, Edward 14 Jun 1917, Buffalo, Erie, New York. Edward was born 23 Feb 1888, New York; died May 1964, New York. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

1920 U.S. Census - New York
Charles F. Kiefer, son of Fred And Mary
1920 U.S. Census ? New York ? Erie ? Buffalo City ? ED# 53; Ward 5 (part of), Election District 12, Bounded by: Sheffield Ave., McKinley Parkway, Woodside Ave., Potters Road, City line, City line, South Park Ave.
Page 7 of 45, Line 30
http://www.ancestry.com/search/io/browse.asp?c=3&state=New+York&county=Erie&township=Buffalo+City&ed=53&roll=T625_1100&STAbrv=New York&startimg=940&endimg=984&rp=946&client=&image=&l=0.000000&t=0.000000&r=1.000000&b=1.000000&w=303&h=235&option=ZoomIn&hash=247005847&width=2421&height=1881&levels=5&colorspace=Grayscale&x=143&y=117

per Census: Charles F., Maybelle, and Charles F. Kiefer, Jr. living at 18 Woodside Ave, Buffalo, New York

Charles married BURGLAND, Mary 8 Feb 1919. Mary (daughter of Living and Living) was born Abt 1895, Illinois. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Tillie's Apron touched the stove....caught fire, Saturday morning.... She ran outside...died of her burns.
sleeping in upstairs....

Ottilia married METZLER, Charles Dewey 18 Jun 1925, Lackawanna, Erie, New York. Charles (son of METZLER, Elias and O'MALLEY, Mary) was born 28 Jul 1898. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

1920 U.S. Census ? New York ? Erie ? Buffalo City ? ED# 53 District 53 Buffalo; Ward 5 (part of), Election District 12, Bounded by: Sheffield Ave., McKinley Parkway, Woodside Ave., Potters Road, City line, City line, South Park Ave.
Harry E. Kiefer, son of Fred and Mary
Page 20 of 45, linev52
Living with Sister Lizzie (Elizabeth) Kiefer Moll married to Edward Moll
141 woodside Ave

Roddo84: Harry's wife's name was Katherine
jaeare123: really????
jaeare123: when did he get married
Roddo84: 23 dec 1920
Roddo84: per mark stacy's notes

Roddo84: Harry died in 1983
Roddo84: I think in Pennsylvania

SSDI
HARRY KIEFER 31 Jan 1897 Oct 1983 18612 (Dallas, Luzerne, Pennsylvania) 18612 (Dallas, Luzerne, Pennsylvania) 195-12-9039 Pennsylvania

Harry married Living [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Census: 16 Jun 1900, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/parents & siblings

Mary married RIEP, Ernest Martin 15 Jun 1904, Utica, Oneida, New York. Ernest (son of Living and Living) was born 25 Apr 1879, Germany; died 27 May 1962, Utica, Oneida, New York; was buried 30 May 1962, New Forest Cemetery, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Census: 16 Jun 1900, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/parents & siblings
• Census: 19-20 Apr 1910, Utica, Oneida, New York; w/parents & siblings
• Occupation: 5 Jun 1917, Utica, Oneida, New York; Saloon Business
• Military: 5 Jun 1917, Utica, Oneida, New York; WWI DRAFT REGISTRATION Ernst Phillip Swald

Notes:

Birth:
BIRTH DATE:
- 3 Jun 1889; WWI Draft Registration

Ernest married MCGUIRL, Kathleen 30 Jun 1913, Utica, Oneida, New York. Kathleen (daughter of MCGUIRL, Michael and UNKNOWN, Bridget) was born 15 Feb 1891, New York; died Aug 1977, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

1920 U.S. Census - New York
1920 U.S. Census ? New York ? Oneida ? Utica City ? ED# 134 pg. 14 0f 17, line 83

Living with Father-in-law, Henry J. Burns, at time of 1920 Census, with wife, Grace, and two sons, Alfred J. Swald, Jr, and John Francis Swald

Alfred married BURNS, Grace A. Utica, Oneida, New York. Grace (daughter of BURNS, Henry J. and CARROLL, Mary Eliza) was born Oct 1894, Lyonsdale, Lewis, New York; died 1949, Utica, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

SSDI
1982HELEN BUTTENSCHON 23 Dec 1899 Nov 1982 13323 (Clinton, Oneida, New York) (none specified) 059-22-8169 New York


conversation with Carl Buttenschon 17 April 2002.

My mother had bright light blue eyes and dark hair. My grandfather had a garden in his backyard.

I was a pilot in the Arm Air Corps during WWII.

I retired from banking and credit life insurance.

I remember Alfred Sr.'s sons, Alfred and Edward.

conversation w/Dot & Carl Buttenschon 4/27/02
Helen married Carl Buttenshoen
Carl's Father, Frederick Buttenschon
Carl Jr. b: jun 27, 1921
He married Dorothy "Dot" Frances Henry
Carl & Dot had two girls
Nancy b: 1948 - 2002 lives Mt. Vernon, Tx
Susan b. Jan 21, 1950 - 2002 lives Houston, Tx
Helen and Carl Buttenschon lived in upper apt
of her parent's, Philip & Kath Swald, house.
Helen and Carl took care of Philip and Kath.
Philip and Kath Swald left house to Helen and Carl.
Ernest Swald got miffed cuz Helen and Carl got house.
Helen & Ernest's wife, Kath, would speak on the phone.
Carl remembers his mother's (Helen Swald) cousin,
Mary Schwald Kiefer's daughter, Lizzie Kiefer.
Lizzie married Ed Moll(he worked for a field co.
They lived in Buffalo, New York & had no children

Helen married BUTTENSCHON, Carl William (Sr.) 9 Jun 1920, Oneida County, New York. Carl (son of Living and Living) was born 16 Aug 1897; died Nov 1985, Clinton, Oneida, New York. [Group Sheet]