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WAGNER, Johann "Hans" Jacob

WAGNER, Johann "Hans" Jacob

Male 1717 - 1802  (84 years)

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  • Name WAGNER, Johann "Hans" Jacob  
    Birth 11 Oct 1717  Malsburg, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Occupation Bauer, Vogt, ?Nagler Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Death 31 Jul 1802  Malsburg, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Notes 
    • Fred Wehrle Vogelbach/Marzell OSB pg. 503

      From: "dave gudeman"
      To: "Janet Schwald"
      Subject: Anna Maria Wagner
      Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:01:04 -0500

      As Fred Wehrle states, the mother of Anna Maria Wagner (Johann Georg Schwald's wife) was Barbara Osswaldin. She was a daughter of Simon Osswald of Kaltenbach. Hans Jacob Wagner of Malsburg (spelled Mahlsburg) and Barbara Osswaldin were married on June 16, 1744, probably in Kaltenbach, since Malsburg has no church. Fred emphatically states that Johann Jakob Wagner was a farmer, not a Nagler. I wonder where he picked up this information. On the marriage record of Johann George Schwald and Anna Maria Wagner in 1764, it very clearly states Hans Jacob Wagner was a Nagler. I found no mention that he was a farmer.

      Occupation: Nagler, blacksmith who made nails

      -----Original Message-----
      > From: dgudeman
      > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:52 PM
      > To: Roderick Schwald
      > Subject: Hans Jerg Schwald


      Anna Maria's father, Hans Jacob Wagner,
      > was a Nagler, a blacksmith who made nails.

      Per Rod's Website:
      (Anna Maria Wagner (daughter of Hans Jacob Wagner and Anna Barbara Lensin)14. She married Johann "Hans" Georg Schwald on 27 September 1768 in Demberg, Germany14, son of Johann Georg Schwald and Maria Lenzin.

      More About Anna Maria Wagner and Johann "Hans" Georg Schwald:
      Marriage: 27 September 1768, Demberg, Germany.

      Children of Anna Maria Wagner and Johann "Hans" Georg Schwald are:
      Johann Georg Schwald, b. 30 June 1769, Fischenberg, Germany.
      Johann Jacob Schwald, b. 16 June 1770, Fischenberg, Germany.
      +Friedrich "Fritz or Friz" Schwald, b. 13 September 1772, Fischenberg, Germany, d. 19 December 1839.)

      Hans Jacob Wagner. He married Anna Barbara Lensin.

      Notes for Hans Jacob Wagner:
      Occupation was a Nagler (a Blacksmith who made nails)

      Children of Hans Jacob Wagner and Anna Barbara Lensin are:
      +Anna Maria Wagner

      Corrected:
      From: Wehrle
      To: Janet
      Cc: H.Trurnit
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Our Relationship to Dieter
      Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:42:03 +0200

      falsch: Johann Jakob Wagner oo Anna Barbara Lensin
      richtig: Johann Jakob Wagner oo 16.06.1744 Vogelbach Barbara Osswald !!
      er war nicht Nagler, sondern Bauer in Malsburg und Vogt der Vogt
      Vogelbach

      From: "dave gudeman"
      To: "Janet Schwald"
      Subject: Anna Barbara Lensin
      Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:21:45

      Anna Barbara Lensin should be removed until the true mother can be established. Wehrle contends that she was Barbara Osswald, but I have some reservations. He emphatically states that the father was a farmer, not a blacksmith; whereas, the marriage record of Johann Georg Schwald to Anna Maria Wagnerin in 1768 very clearly shows that her father was "Hans Jacob Wagner a Nagler in Malhsburg". The marriage took place in Demburg.

      Fred Wehrle's List-3~12.wps
      0 0 Wagner, Johann Jacob, Vogt <7951>
      * : 11 Okt 1717 Malsburg + : 31 Jul 1802 Malsbu
      V: Wagner, Johannes M: Hafner, Verena
      oo: 1) 16 Jun 1744 Vogelbach ?2059?
      0 0 Osswald, Barbara, <546
      * : 1725 Kaltenbachuvw + : 5 Mar 1785 Malsbu
      V: Osswald Simon M: Wagner, An

      KINDER:
      1. Wagner, Anna Maria, * 27 Feb 1745+ 1799 <7989>
      2. Wagner, Johannes, * 21 Feb 1746+ 1748 <7990>
      3. Wagner, Verena, * 9 Apr 1747+ 1775 <7991>
      4. Wagner, Barbara, * 28 Feb 1749+ 1750 <7992>
      5. Wagner, Simon, * 18 Sep 1750+ 1795 <7993>
      6. Wagner, Johann Jacob, Vogt * 4 Feb 1753+ 1825 <7994>
      7. Wagner, Kunigunde, * 16 Sep 1758+ 1775 <7995>
      8. Wagner, Friedrich, Gerichter * 27 Dez 1766+ 1838 <7996>

      From: "dave gudeman"
      To: "Janet"
      Subject: Re: Anna Maria Wagner
      Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:59:26 -0500

      It may well be that Hans Jacob and Barbara were married in Vogelbach, but the record of their marriage does not so state. Both Vogelbach and Kaltenbach have churches, and, since Hans Jacob was from Kaltenbach, I felt that the odds favored the Kaltenbach church. Keep in mind that the little church in Vogelbach kept the vital records of both churches, and it may well be that Fred is confusing the place of recording with the place where the ceremony was performed. But surely, Fred must be well familiar with the fact that the Vogelbach church was the custodian of the records for both churches.
      Neither does the marriage record reveal that Hans Jacob was a Vogt,
      which makes me wonder all the more what set of records Fred is working with.
      A Vogt is somewhat like a Mayor. A Vogtei is something like an administrative office.
      The little village of Vogelbach had a stature out of proportion to its size. In addition to the
      Vogelbach and Kaltenbach churches, Vogelbach was the custodian of the records also for the Marzell church until
      the latter part of the 18th century, when Marzell started keeping its own records. I have a theory for the elevated
      position of Vogelbach. The Sausenburg Casthe is across a valley from Vogelbach and, in fact, the ruins can be seen
      from Vogelbach to this day. I believe that, because of its proximity to the castle, it was assigned the Vogtei
      centuries ago and, with it, the responibility for keeping
      the vital records.
    Person ID I01050  1. Schwald - WA-NY-OR-TX
    Last Modified 19 Oct 2008 

    Father WAGNER, Johannes,   b. 13 Aug 1692, Malsburg, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 10 Oct 1741, Malsburg, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 49 years) 
    Mother HAFNER, Verena,   b. 10 Sep 1695, Marzell, Loerrach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 26 Jul 1775, Malsburg, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 79 years) 
    Family ID F2673  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family OSSWALD, Barbara,   b. 1725, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 5 Mar 1785, Malsburg, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 60 years) 
    Marriage 16 Jun 1744  Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
    +1. WAGNER, Anna Maria,   b. 27 Feb 1745, Malsburg, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 31 Oct 1799, Wies, Loerrach, Baden, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 54 years)
     2. WAGNER, Johannes,   b. 21 Feb 1746   d. 1748 (Age 1 year)
     3. WAGNER, Verena,   b. 9 Apr 1747   d. 1775 (Age 27 years)
     4. WAGNER, Barbara,   b. 28 Feb 1749   d. 1750 (Age 0 years)
     5. WAGNER, Simon,   b. 18 Sep 1750   d. 1795 (Age 44 years)
     6. WAGNER, Johann Jacob,   b. 4 Feb 1753   d. 1825 (Age 71 years)
     7. WAGNER, Kunigunde,   b. 16 Sep 1758   d. 1775 (Age 16 years)
     8. WAGNER, Friedrich,   b. 27 Dec 1766   d. 1838 (Age 71 years)
    Family ID F0409  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBirth - 11 Oct 1717 - Malsburg, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarriage - 16 Jun 1744 - Vogelbach, Loerrach, Baden, Germany Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - 31 Jul 1802 - Malsburg, Kaltenbach, Baden, Germany Link to Google Earth
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